' Wrote:The Pirate can demand cargo and credits from lawful and unlawful ships, and attack them if they do not comply. So he may just fly by a fight, decide who he is going to kill say something like "Hey leave that guy alone, pay me 2 million or die!"
The Pirate may be usually the bad guy, but may also be the good guy. It must be justified by rp of course to shoot down another unlawful that is in fight with a lawful. Maybe a hated rival.. who knows. They are criminals, they seem to shoot each other for no good reason sometimes.
A pirate can be a good guy but it's obvious that the pirate is unlawful in the end, and you will see a cop shooting it. However someone who hunts slavers and cardamine smugglers is not someone a police officer would want to shoot.
' Wrote:So don't reintroduce that shady vigilante id, just give the bounty hunter the possibility to be a good guy.
It's also obvious that a bounty hunter is a "BOUNTY" hunter, and not someone who would want to kill people without recieving a thing. Bounty hunter is a lawful mercenary, simply.
' Wrote:People say that Vigilante id was abused. If you want something that can be abused, that's Pirate ID. Ask from anyone 2 mil and shoot it, while Vigilante ID in the old mod version was already limited enough, yet served a purpose. I admit that I abuse Pirate ID to pvpwhore to the max and you can't believe how little creativeness I need with it.
I hear that Vigilantes also shot lawfuls that would be their faction's enemies, despite those enemies were lawful. That's the only thing that should have been stopped with the ID, being good or evil is up to debate, but it's clear what side is 'openly' lawful and what side is 'openly' unlawful. An ID that's lawfully aligned yet strictly independent and limited to snubs, with only enemies as the unlawful forces is needed. It would be a reply to the Pirate ID which can simply kill anything with little RP background in it, and it wouldn't be as bad really.
What I mean to say is, I am willing to help with anything for a decent ID that would replace this Vigilante ID. Something working and not easily abused can be made up, imho.
So that's how Vigilante got shot to oblivion... And here I was searching it for my newest char. I always felt it was made to counter the Pirate ID, and since that one still is in the mod I assumed Vigilante still were in it too. Oh well.
But yeah, now that I stopped to think about it, I am 100% puzzled on what ID to use if I just want to rp like a do-gooder without having to id myself to a house... Freelancer IFF / BH ID?
' Wrote:It's also obvious that a bounty hunter is a "BOUNTY" hunter, and not someone who would want to kill people without recieving a thing. Bounty hunter is a lawful mercenary, simply.
Not this one again.... only because it is called "BOUNTY" hunter ... who are you to dictate the roleplay of others?
See this quote for example:
' Wrote:There is one more valueable thing in freelancer universe. And that is reputation.
Sometimes you even just like someone who payed you an extra bounty the last fight and you know he is low on cash. Ah Bounty Hunter may not have friends right?
To be honest, I believe that the Bounty Hunter ID is in violation to server rule 1.1. It is restricted in so many ways, that you can't freely develop a character and rp with it.
' Wrote:See this quote for example:
Sometimes you even just like someone who payed you an extra bounty the last fight and you know he is low on cash. Ah Bounty Hunter may not have friends right?
To be honest, I believe that the Bounty Hunter ID is in violation to 1.1. It is restricted in so many ways, that you can't freely develop a character and rp with it.
Make a Freelancer Id for the same character?
Bounty hunters in general joined the guild because they don't care about rules/laws and so on...
All they care about is that they get paid for their job.
And it's their only place to get some respect, since most are coming out of the criminal circuit anyway.
Want to help a friend?
- Don't do it with your 'on-duty' ship...
Edit:
As for that, I got a character who I got about 7 ships, with different ID's, because he/she would do different things at times.
' Wrote:Not this one again.... only because it is called "BOUNTY" hunter ... who are you to dictate the roleplay of others?
What stops a freelancer from RPing that way then? Why do you dictate a freelancer's RP that way, but not a Bounty Hunter's? We all know what a Bounty Hunter is, and how they should behave. Otherwise I will want freelancer ID to have the ability to shoot cops, cus it's my RP, and I don't want it to be dictated.
' Wrote:Otherwise I will want freelancer ID to have the ability to shoot cops, cus it's my RP, and I don't want it to be dictated.
A freelancer can shoot cops, he can be bountied by anyone and decide to escort anyone. So what is your point exactly?
The bounty hunter on the other hand has two major restrictions: He must be lawful and he must ask for money. No one likes him for this. He may only operate in house spaces where he can find contractors. Usually these were only 3 houses until recently Kusari opened it's borders to bounty hunters again. But how could a bounty hunter work for reputation if he has to ask for money by rules. His only advantage over the freelancer is his access to the bounty hunters equipment, but his rp is reduced to a lawful money extortion machine.
' Wrote:A freelancer can shoot cops, he can be bountied by anyone and decide to escort anyone. So what is your point exactly?
The bounty hunter on the other hand has exactly two major restrictions: He must be lawful and he must ask for money. No one likes him for this. He may only operate in house spaces where he can find contractors. Usually these where only 3 houses until recently Kusari opened it's borders to bounty hunters again. But how could a bounty hunter work for reputation if he has to ask for money by rules. His only advantage over the freelancer is his access to the bounty hunters equipment, but his rp is reduced to a lawful money extortion machine.
The Bounty hunters actually can relax quite a bit. They don't have to do their paperwork themselves.
They let their guildmasters work on all the big contracts. And because the Guild has many pilots a company or house, would rather work with the Guild than some simple Freelancer.
This because the Guild has a good reputation for these Houses or corporations.
Their RP is reduced to it, because that is what they do. If you fly a hunter you'll see it's all you need.
They joined the guild for that specific purpose. Simply shoot or escort things for money.
And that the corporation likes them for that or approves them more when done successful, oh well that's secondary
' Wrote:A freelancer can shoot cops, he can be bountied by anyone and decide to escort anyone. So what is your point exactly?
The bounty hunter on the other hand has exactly two major restrictions: He must be lawful and he must ask for money. No one likes him for this. He may only operate in house spaces where he can find contractors. Usually these where only 3 houses until recently Kusari opened it's borders to bounty hunters again. But how could a bounty hunter work for reputation if he has to ask for money by rules. His only advantage over the freelancer is his access to the bounty hunters equipment, but his rp is reduced to a lawful money extortion machine.
As far as I know, Bounty Hunter's RP was never reduced to a lawful money extortion machine, it was always that way, and was always RP'd that way.
We can create a thread to change that RP now however.
' Wrote:A freelancer can shoot cops, he can be bountied by anyone and decide to escort anyone. So what is your point exactly?
The bounty hunter on the other hand has two major restrictions: He must be lawful and he must ask for money. No one likes him for this. He may only operate in house spaces where he can find contractors. Usually these where only 3 houses until recently Kusari opened it's borders to bounty hunters again. But how could a bounty hunter work for reputation if he has to ask for money by rules. His only advantage over the freelancer is his access to the bounty hunters equipment, but his rp is reduced to a lawful money extortion machine.
Where you see a limit, I see an opportunity.
If you let me state the obvious: Think Cowboy Bebop. No one like them bounty hunters, but they always get paid to do the work nobody wants to. Start seeing limits as points to be rp'd, not flaws to be whined about, and you'll widen your possibilities.
The point here is that there seems to be no ID/IFF combo to be able to just do good without having to worry about either money or being affilliated to a specific house.
' Wrote:The point here is that there seems to be no ID/IFF combo to be able to just do good without having to worry about either money or being affilliated to a specific house.
That's what I keep saying. <3
Stop getting in Vigi ID's way people! Bounty Hunters are not do gooders. They belong to a frickin guild which expects them to collect money, so they can fill their pockets.