' Wrote:I understand Freelancers can't go around shooting people. But can't they assist in fights? If a lawfully aligned Freelancer sees the Navy in trouble, can't he join in and help?
The navy can hire you for that fight, it depends on the lawfuls to hire you or not.
Honestly, when i saw that sanction, i laughed. It looks like somebody got his ass hancled to him and he couldnt deal with it.
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Freelancer ID
Pilot carrying this ID is a Freelancer, who:
- Can fulfill bounty contract and escort other vessels.
- May not engage in piracy outside of a posted bounty contract.
- May treat trade vessels as combat targets in pursuit of a bounty contract.
- Cannot use any transports with more than 3,600 cargo.
There is NOTHING that says you cannot engage in combat according to your roleplay, being Lawful or unlawful freelancer.
I see no
-May only atack in self-defense
Or
-May not engage in combat unless escorting or folowing a bounty contract.
And no... Freelancers DO NOT work only for money, Mercs do. Freelancers are individuals that choose to not be part of any organization, be it corporation, police or pirates.
Rule 6.9
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Server Rule 6.9 You must follow the restrictions/allowances of your ID, as well as the diplomacy of the NPC faction it
represents. If your ID does not represent an NPC faction (generic IDs), then your reputation and conduct
must match the actions of your character. You must not dock at bases that your NPC faction is hostile to, or
attack allies of your NPC faction.
Note: IDs may contain restrictions/allowances which conflict with the rules. In these cases, the ID overrides
the rules.
Well, hmm, lets see. "You must follow the restrictions/allowances of your ID, as well as the diplomacy of the NPC faction it represents." Since engaging in combat outside bounty or escort servive is not mentioned...
Do we get an addition into IDs to state what is restriction (can do anything except this) and what is allowance (can do this but not anything else)?
"If your ID does not represent an NPC faction (generic IDs), then your reputation and conduct must match the actions of your character. You must not dock at bases that your NPC faction is hostile to, or attack allies of your NPC faction." Actions of your character... Hmmm... Again the question of bein lawful neutral or unlawful neutral. Well, unless you have character that suffers from Apathy syndrome then i say its quite impossible to threat everybody the same, including those that helped you when you were between rock and hard place and those that shoot you or did in the past.
Admin word:
Quote:Freelancers never ever work for free.
There is one more valueable thing in freelancer universe. And that is reputation.
' Wrote:"-May not engage in combat unless the following conditions are met" is implicit on all of them.
Your role isn't what you make it, else we'd all be terrorists
I dont see that line in ID... Neither in rules. My role is to RP my character. Thats why this is an RP server.
I do understand concerns about the terrorist actions but as things are now, only rule 0.0 prevents you to do so.
Lawful indies would be vigilantes, and Unlawful indies would be pirates. But since Vigilante is gone, and Freelancer id means that you can NOT do anything unless you are contracted, lawful indies need to be EXTRA creative to be able to do their RP.
' Wrote:Lawful indies would be vigilantes, and Unlawful indies would be pirates. But since Vigilante is gone, and Freelancer id means that you can NOT do anything unless you are contracted, lawful indies need to be EXTRA creative to be able to do their RP.
I sort of miss my old Vigilante ID.
But there are quite a few examples at the moment of people being creative to be able to remain doing what they always wanted to do.
Since my old vigilante already had grudges against Lawfuls, I simply got a pirate ID and still hunt down un-lawfuls with it.
Some other groups of Freelancers that don't want to be shown as 'unlawful' have made contracts to work for a bit of cash to reach their goal as vigilante.
However it if you want to work non-profit. Simply work for the minimum and see the money as a slight bonus for your work, even though your goal is just to fight, money comes secondary.
- If there is a engagement you're still allowed to be hired on-spot. If somebody in the brawl hires you, you simply say so, arrange a deal and move in.
Oh and let's remember you can't be a civilian anymore either, you are a Freelancer so you -must- be working for something :D
' Wrote:Some other groups of Freelancers that don't want to be shown as 'unlawful' have made contracts to work for a bit of cash to reach their goal as vigilante.
However it if you want to work non-profit. Simply work for the minimum and see the money as a slight bonus for your work, even though your goal is just to fight, money comes secondary.
You know it's just us who got a favourable contract, and that was due to luck and knowing good people like you and Jack. Also let's not forget that we are under IMG's mercy, as they can remove the contract anytime they want. Like when we have RP and OORP disagreements, failure to get enough kills for a month, etc. Losing that contract wouldn't just remove a source of income for me, it would simply stop me from doing anything. Now I find myself hunting them OCs just to be able to keep the board busy enough for the month, to be honest. Removing my chances to RP with OC peeps, which would suit the way we should actually behave, without having to get that blue message before they run away from me. Not that I am complaining about it, and I am still really thankful to you guys because you allow me to do my RP. But this reliance is just against the spirit of freedom of this thing.
Others, however, are not as lucky as us to get a contract that would suit their RP as indies who want to have lawful allegiance. So they would register in bounty boards, IF there are already bounty boards targeting the unlawfuls they want to shoot. (for example: until recently there was no one targeting slavers in their bounty boards in any sector that's practically meaningful to hunt them, which IMG fixed a month ago)
People say that Vigilante id was abused. If you want something that can be abused, that's Pirate ID. Ask from anyone 2 mil and shoot it, while Vigilante ID in the old mod version was already limited enough, yet served a purpose. I admit that I abuse Pirate ID to pvpwhore to the max and you can't believe how little creativeness I need with it.
I hear that Vigilantes also shot lawfuls that would be their faction's enemies, despite those enemies were lawful. That's the only thing that should have been stopped with the ID, being good or evil is up to debate, but it's clear what side is 'openly' lawful and what side is 'openly' unlawful. An ID that's lawfully aligned yet strictly independent and limited to snubs, with only enemies as the unlawful forces is needed. It would be a reply to the Pirate ID which can simply kill anything with little RP background in it, and it wouldn't be as bad really.
What I mean to say is, I am willing to help with anything for a decent ID that would replace this Vigilante ID. Something working and not easily abused can be made up, imho.
A Freelancer can escort other vessels. The bounty board rules only cover bounty contracts. Therefore the "Hey do you need help?" or "Hey Freelancer, give me a hand" works flawlessly even without a negotiated payment.
The Freelancer may be the good guy and the bad guy.
The Pirate can demand cargo and credits from lawful and unlawful ships, and attack them if they do not comply. So he may just fly by a fight, decide who he is going to kill say something like "Hey leave that guy alone, pay me 2 million or die!"
The Pirate may be usually the bad guy, but may also be the good guy. It must be justified by rp of course to shoot down another unlawful that is in fight with a lawful. Maybe a hated rival.. who knows. They are criminals, they seem to shoot each other for no good reason sometimes.
The Bounty Hunter can be contracted to escort lawful ships and fulfill lawful bounty contracts.
So the Bounty Hunter is lawful by lore and rules, but may also not be the good guy by rules. He is always the greedy arse that demands money before doing anything. Even if representatives of the house he is contracted by are attacked by a bunch of mercenaries working for some unlawful faction he can't do anything, as long as they are not bountied.
The word "contracted" implies a payment and renders every Bounty Hunter with good intentions useless in my eyes. This has gone so far, that every Bounty Hunter, who even asks whether he may assist, has to fear a pvp abuse sanction.
Just a minor change is required to change the tone of the id:
Instead of
"Can be contracted to escort lawful ships and fulfill lawful bounty contracts."
make the escort part exactly like in the freelancer id
"Can be contracted to fulfill lawful bounty contracts and escort other vessels."
The "escort lawful ships" part was also confusing. Does this mean he may not escort a Freelancer or a Mercenary? What about a Junker? A Bounty Hunter could also be tricked to believe he is escorting a lawful. It all depends on the roleplay of the one that want's to be escorted. It may be lawful or unlawful.
His line "Cannot ally with any unlawfuls" clearly states that he will never work together with anyone who exposes himself unlawful in his rp.
So don't reintroduce that shady vigilante id, just give the bounty hunter the possibility to be a good guy.