They are currently light mortars with engines, and can solo anything up to a battlecruiser. id say they are NOT fine, considering they posess a weapon which has no downsides whatsoever. (snac, no ammo, no risk to user, outranges any realistically threatening cap weapon, no delay, and armored more than their hulls should be able to carry.)
If you can say to me with a straight face to me that that is balanced, i will say with a straight face to you that your full of it.
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If you can say to me with a straight face to me that that is balanced, i will say with a straight face to you that your full of it.
Don't question the holy Snac. It's the one and only true balance in the universe known as Sirius.
What you want? Less damage done by the Antimatter Cannon? Less agile bombers? Lower shields? Less bots/bats?
Any decent pilot up to a Battleship can solo a bomber, so I can't see what's your problem with it.
Got pwnt in your Gunboat by a lone bomber, you're doing it wrong. It's just that.
On the contrary i fly a roc. the thing is a flying tank. Lowering bomber armor to the hull they are built on would be a good start. IE, Roc is an eagle with torp tubes bolted on, makes no sense to have alot more armor.
' Wrote:On the contrary i fly a roc. the thing is a flying tank. Lowering bomber armor to the hull they are built on would be a good start. IE, Roc is an eagle with torp tubes bolted on, makes no sense to have alot more armor.
Roc quite a bit bigger then a Eagle, and way less agile.
And it already got nerfed down in agility.
Now it's all fine.
Just make your shots count instead of only squeezing your firing button, when you are shooting a bomber that is.
' Wrote:They are currently light mortars with engines, and can solo anything up to a battlecruiser. id say they are NOT fine, considering they posess a weapon which has no downsides whatsoever. (snac, no ammo, no risk to user, outranges any realistically threatening cap weapon, no delay, and armored more than their hulls should be able to carry.)
If you can say to me with a straight face to me that that is balanced, i will say with a straight face to you that your full of it.
' Wrote:I doubt that would ever happen,as you would also have to compensate capship turret guns to deal with the increased range .
I doubt anything of what I said here would ever happen since people don't want to lose their toys. But that won't stop me from shouting that 'something's wrong here'.
' Wrote:Ye and? Discovery bombers are just that, fighter bombers. Though to be properly ones their guns should've a faster speed, but that's just a subjective thought of mine.
Bombers're fine.
Really? Then gunboats and LFs should have no trouble of taking them down, right? Since, you know, fighter-bombers are not really as strong as the heavy bombers. Also a battleship could easily defend from such ships, no? No. The ships Discovery has as "bombers" are actually bombers and fighters.
' Wrote:They are currently light mortars with engines, and can solo anything up to a battlecruiser. id say they are NOT fine, considering they posess a weapon which has no downsides whatsoever. (snac, no ammo, no risk to user, outranges any realistically threatening cap weapon, no delay, and armored more than their hulls should be able to carry.)
If you can say to me with a straight face to me that that is balanced, i will say with a straight face to you that your full of it.
In an addition to being LMs with engines they are equipped with stuff that fighters have. Mines, 4-ish guns with decent damage(Bomber Energy Cannon HDPS: 3,752. Kraken Type 2 HDPS: 2,224) which makes it up for projectile speed and inaccuracy.
' Wrote:Any decent pilot up to a Battleship can solo a bomber, so I can't see what's your problem with it.
Got pwnt in your Gunboat by a lone bomber, you're doing it wrong. It's just that.
Any "decent" cap. shippilot can solo a bomber if the bomber is an idiot. Any "good" cap. ship pilot can solo an average pilot. Gunboats are a bit weaker as well, which is wrong too since their role is antifighter and antibomber, or so I believe.
' Wrote:Roc quite a bit bigger then a Eagle, and way less agile.
It's more agile then Pytho which I used to fly and that is either too agile or too small. And how much bigger is the Roc exactly? Posing it's XY would be quite useful.
First off... There's so many bullcrap being said here it's painful to look at. You name me ONE capship pilot (so cruiser and above) that can "easily kill a bomber" if the bomber pilot is not a complete retard who flies in a straight line?
Second: The SNAC is very much overpowered. If you wanna talk about it being fine? Comparison:
LM: 150,000 hull damage, 75,000 shield damage, 4020 m range, 600 m/s speed, refire 0,25, 1,000,000 energy.
SNAC: 132,000 hull damage, 66,000 shield damage, 1960 m range, 280-480 m/s speed, refire 0,17, 29,740 energy.
Now, will someone please explain to me why exactly a CAPITAL SHIP antimatter weapon, is only slightly better in stats, than a bomber antimatter weapon, while costing exactly 33,6 times more energy? What, the monstrous 18k more damage? The abysmal 2k more range, which matters zilch since no capship guns capable of hitting a bomber go over 2k? What, "throw mortars at the bomber"? Which he can see clear as day heading straight at him and needs to only tap a strafe key to dodge it?
I'm not crying about bombers > capships, that's supposed to be so. But not ONE bomber versus ONE capital ship. That's just ridiculous.
Now, about people saying stuff about fighter-bombers and missile pods... A fighter-bomber missile pod contains missiles sized: "Each rocket is between 1.5 meters (4 ft 11 in) and 1.7 meters (6 ft 9 in) long and weighs between 11.3 kg (25 lb) and 15.2 kg (33.5 lb), depending on warhead and fuse." (wiki quote) compared to a torpedo, namely a Mark 24 Tigerfish torpedo, which is: "Weight 1550 kg (3414 lb) Length 6.5 m (21.2 ft) Diameter 533 mm (21 in)" (also wiki quote).
DO NOT bring realism into Freelancer discussions.
Bombers are not made to fight fighters. Yet, some bombers are so damn agile that they can easily knock out VHF's, and laughing straight in their faces with their unlimited ammo gun of doom.
Either remove the SNAC completely or make it spend ammo or something.
Sucks to be a weight on the wrong side of the brilliance-insanity scale.
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