' Wrote:I neglected to mention that I was an independent trader, and he was a lane hacker. Is it good RP for a lane hacker to want 1000 units of neon from a random unaffiliated flying monkey? I think it's absurd.
By your own account he wanted money, your poverty forced him to settle for the cargo
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Piracy sucks now days, it's 95% lolwut pirates, even if they RP, it's all about the money, or trolling the trader, which is why traders don't hardly RP anymore, and why meta gaming with traders and pirates is so high.
EDIT: Oh, and the Marineachrdieists and Bretonian Privateers are the worse, they're nothing more than trolls who's sole duty is to harm the trader... Should be removed.
' Wrote:Bretonian Privateers are the <strike>worse,</strike> best they're nothing <strike>more</strike> less than <strike>trolls</strike> patriots who's sole duty is to harm the trader... Should be <strike>removed.</strike> revered
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The main reason I made this thread was cos I was nearly the same situation as the neon guy.
The thing is, mostly both pirates and traders are in it for money. And it leads to a magic circle. Pirates ask ridiculous amounts of cash, so traders turn into silent traders, cos they know they can try to run and die, or just die.. or pay probably more than they can afford.
On the other hand if more traders paid. Then pirates could afford to ask less. Like now maybe 1 out of 10 traders pay.. so Pirate asks 10 mil from that one trader. If all of them payed, pirate could ask 1mil of each and get the same money. And it would be more likely that they would pay.
The thing is Pirates need to understand they should not put traders out of business, cos that will put pirates out of business... (Freighter runs make some 500k-1M, its not reasonable to pay 2M) Scan, evaluate, ask for reasonable tax.
Traders on the other hand should really understand that running and being jerk pisses of pirates in general. And that with time has lead to this situation. There are really options to ask for escort, though low lvl players might not be able to afford that too.
Though not all players are so sociable. They dont want to write on forums for bounties.. or maybe its early morning or late night where there really aint no escorts. Actually the pirate/trader/police ratios are kinda off...
But sadly it seems it is the way it is and would be hard to find a way to change it, cos 90% of pirates/traders probably just dont read forums or dont care.
Also about some punishments. It probably would help yes, but has one huge downside - If some moron just blows you up. You got punished for that too. yes, you can report, but you still have to wait that hour/loose more cash/ship, or whatever...
Terry Pratchett "Night Watch"' Wrote:We who think we are about to die will laugh at anything.
Quote:Hielor, Today, 09:21 AM That gives me an idea--all of my traders will be AI-controlled vessels that have no concern for self-preservation. Brilliant!
As silly as it sounds, I have to agree. I personally don't buy "You have to pay otherwise you and your crew will die, what are your lives worth?" being used as an excuse to make outrageous demands.
My pirate demands are small; 500k, a distributer cap, targeting computer, a pair of jeans, 100 of your finest steaks etc. If you think thats OORP, why not justify you demands by saying that stealing more would alert the tax authorities to suspicious transactions? Or perhapse that stealing only a little goes unnoticed easier on <insert traders faction> banking records?
Yeah, from one point of view, if you are big bad pirate, you can probably ask for 10m or 20m or probably even 100m... but the thing is.. 20milrdie kinda does not work..
personally me, as a trader.. if I had money.. and some guy after a bit longer quite cool RP asked for even large taxes, I think I would pay...
But as shown in this thread (dunno why he could not post in this thread) it is cheaper for the trader to die..
So if you fly up, and shout:
This is a piracy, pay 5M of die. Then I simply do not wish to pay you.. even if my cargo would cost more...
Involve more RP, like ask the trader to hand over his ship to you.. its probably 200mil ship.. after couple of minutes RP from that point it is fine to ask even 50mil taxes.. (wich probably no one will ever pay but still)..
I know most traders would be jerks and run and such.. but then kill them, and explain that you wanted to RP afterwards... Earn the credits by RP not your guns..
I know its a game... but remember there is a chance, if you make it more enyoyable for others.. it might just pay back to you...
Terry Pratchett "Night Watch"' Wrote:We who think we are about to die will laugh at anything.
The problem is that traders fly like a mindless sheep not looking ahead and expect a pirate to ask for some pocket change.
Then we have escort pilots being unhappy and unemployed because it's cheaper to pay an occasional pirate rather than escorts.
A thread like this one pops up periodically and yet nothing changes because Disco is pretty much self-regulating in this. Pirates run out of pray and go easier with the demands, people are encouraged to trade more, pirates take the opportunity to make decent money and ask more. And so the circle continues.
Also, dividing players on pirates and traders is ridiculous because most of the players have both pirate and trader characters and pirate each other. That polite navy pilot who just saved your butt might be the very jerk that pirates you on your route. Different characters require different mindsets. That doesn't mean that somebody wants to screw with you.
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