Proposal: ID changes for 4.87

[AeternusDoleo]

1.) I didn't see a clause in the GRN ID that allowed us to attack anyone at war with us. Did I just misread something? I just wanna make sure it's clarified.

Read the first line a bit closer

2..) Intel Factions losing cruisers. That doesn't really make sense? Or was the line just accidentally left out? Some Intel Factions (Like the =LSF=) Use one or two cruisers, and it would be a shame to lose such things that have been a part of the faction for a long time.

There's no reason for those to have cruisers in my opinion. Not if their license to hit foreign shipping is Siriuswide. The wider your ZoI and things to do, the smaller your arsenal. That's how I tried to balance the attractiveness of each ID. Besides, how the hell are you covert in a warship when a foreign nation catches on. That's not something your government can explain away...

3.) The Order's caps still restricted to the Omicrons. Is there any reason for that to really continue? It's just useless at this point.
3b.) Also, adding cardimine and slaves to our contraband list? Hurting the Outcast Trade hurts the Outcasts, no? So like...please?

Order is anti-Nomad, not anti-Outcast. Stick to your role in the game. Plenty of other factions that are stomping on the Outcasts already... Cardi and Slaves aren't Nomad tech, and Order isn't the Omicron Police.

4.) Where's the SCRA ID :|

Good question. I didn't find that ID in the infocard source file. It might be one of the overridden player faction IDs. Expect it to be similar to the Coalition one, but with a wider ZoI.

Speaking as leader of XA, we actually like freelancer shippers that are Libertonian moreso than the Liberty corporations with the exception of USI who we would gladly bear children with. Also, you forgot to add Bombers to the allowed ships, unless that was intentional.

Bombers are considered Fighters, they're on none of the IDs. Just as Liners are considered Transports, and Battlecruisers/Destroyers are Cruisers. Keeps things somewhat simpler. As for who you like on XA - There's no way to tell by ID if a Freelancer is roleplaying a Liberty character or a foreign one. Figured this was the next best thing. If you can thing of a better wording, feel free to suggest it.

In 4.87 Kusari found itself having no wars with other Houses which rendered the opportunity to harass any other House useless. I believe this line needs a different wording to avoid such issues in the future. Let's say:
"Houses and organizations considered hostile by Kusari."
Same for the other Houses.

That applies to all IDs. Dealing with players is more fun than dealing with rules limitations. Also, increase zones of operations, people don't love to be locked inbetween the walls.

Good idea on the line between quotes there. It is what I meant it to say, but your wording is a lot better. That can go on all lawful IDs with a similar line. As for the area of operations: Most factions get more allowances in their main area of operations (for the house intelligence organisations that means acting as Military inside their house space, and the ability to act as Privateers outside it).

Get rid of all the "May treat as combat target" lines in ALL IDs. Not give even more people that line!

Get rid of it, and transports end up hiding behind the "must make a demand" rule ("You can't shoot me yet, you've not made a demand. I'mma go on full thruster to the nearest base while you type, k?"), which they often abuse to get away (don't deny it Jack, I've been in convoys with you ). Keep it and you end up with a "Ohai, nau dai." style of roleplay. It's just the side that abuses the mechanic that changes. Which makes me lean towards the "less rules" way. But, I'm open to other player opinions about this.

I suggest dropping Kruger/Daumann from no-dock/piracy list, yes inRP Daumann and Krugers are competitors, what doesn't change fact factions may be interested in cooperation, especially against hessians or IMG, as even Disco history shows as I heard. Currently Kruger and Daumann IDs aren't rephacked to each other, and it allows flexible diplomacy in the gameplay.

It was my understanding that in lore Kruger is leaning towards ALG in an attempt to form a stronger competition against Daumann. Dropping the nodock will cause Kruger diamond miners to start using Solarius for instance - is that what you want? The piracy line I'm indifferent about - but if it goes, it goes completely, for all mining factions - they can use mercenaries instead of doing the dirty themselves then.

EDIT: Right, we would also like to have our own ID description written and submitted by us.

I'm open to suggestions, but keep in mind that ALL corporate IDs follow largely the same lines, and Daumann will be no exception. That's how things are kept fair between the corporate factions. Feel free to post a rewritten suggestion.

LSF ID Wrote:- Can hunt Military pilots of houses Liberty is at war with within and outside their Zone of Influence.
Do Police and Intelligence faction pilots of hostile Houses fall under this as well? Because I think it would make sense.

That is the intent. But I admit the wording isn't very good. Maybe "Can hunt Police and Military ships of houses and organisations considered hostile..." is a better way to put this. It also fixes:

Order ID Wrote:- Can hunt Wild, Nomad, Outcasts, BHG, Core, LSF, MND, Kempeitai and BIS.
It would make sense if the intelligence factions could retaliate and hunt the Order everywhere, I guess.

Any Intelligence Faction ID Wrote:Allowed ships: Fighters, Freighters, Transports, Gunboats
It seems that the cruisers were excluded from the list. I can see the intent here (the IDs have become a bit more flexible and clear; plus, it'd prevent House Intelligence cruisers roaming around hostile space and cargo-pirating hostile corporations). Of course, it'd be sad to lose access to the ships we've had for a while (like =LSF=Mount.Iliamna, which has existed for as long as I can remember).

Reason for this is the freedom put on the ID, in conjunction with groups of MULTIPLE cruisers doing cargo piracy WAY outside their primary ZoI that has been observed in game. The intelligence ID isn't a siriuswide license to take a capital fleet anywhere. Of course, it's possible to SRP specific ships to serve specific functions - I could very well see the occasional cruiser or carrier serving as a launchpoint for specific missions. Just not for muscle - intelligence services don't generally rely on muscle, but surgical strikes (or hired muscle).
Hmm... maybe waiving the "cannot ally with any unlawfuls..." might be a good idea on those. Allows them to go down and dirty with hired unlawful muscle.

"Can hunt pirates and terrorists within their Zone of Influence."
So what this is saying is that the corporation fighters can hunt any pirates in their zoi, rather like the navy and police can? This sure does make defending our convoys, mining groups and space easier. But was this definately intentional? Also I see prexisting lines for killing fighters is now slightly changed. For example the DSE ID has the above line, which it didn't before and still has the
"Can hunt Lane Hackers outside their Zone of Influence."
I suppose this is too clarify that we can hunt these enemies anywhere as before?

Yes, corporations (primarily convoy escorts) should be able to preemptively attack unlawfuls at will within their own houses. Lawfuls allowed to shoot unlawfuls on their own turf, and vice-versa. DSE, Ageira and Interspace have a bone to pick with the Lane Hackers, so they should be able to go after those anywhere.

Rogue Zone of Influence: Liberty and independent systems directly bordering Liberty, Shikoku
Shouldn't New Tokyo be in the zoi (without cruisers)
EDIT: Also the Rogue ID misses out Humbolt (and Kansas?) which it currently does anyways.

Honestly? I don't think so. It was a nice experiment for a while, but it really doesn't make much sense for LIBERTY rogues to go park their Barghest in New Tokyo. None of the natives are particulary friendly to them there... not even the GC.
Good call on Kansas and Humboldt. Will fix that.

Brigand Zone of Influence: Gallia, Gallic Borderworlds, Taus
shouldn't they have Kyushu and New Tokyo? Due to this.

Kyushu, yes. New Tokyo, not so much. Again, not that many friendly natives, so no way to base yourself out of anywhere in New Tokyo. KNF is in peacetime, and rebuilding, so Kusari military strength is on the rise.

On behalf of the VWA, which presently represents (to my knowledge) the largest unofficial contingent of Bundschuh players, I would like to bring up the portion of the Bundschuh ID that states:
"- Cannot ally with any lawfuls except with Rheinland lawfuls against Liberty lawfuls."
And ask it to be changed, to:
"- Cannot ally with any lawfuls except with Liberty lawfuls against Rheinland lawfuls."
My reasons for that request involve the pre-4.86 backstory written by Igiss; for the Bundschuh...

Good call. Will do this. Incidentally, the Bundies distinguish themselves by being allowed RheinMil equipment as I recall...

I am curious about the BHG going after lawful and unlawful targets now, but I am guessing that is just them being able to go after Gallia or something.

If they abuse this, the Houses themselves will kick them out. But they are mercenaries, they follow the money. Agmen indicated they were intending to go after Gallia, so yea, that's the primary reason the "can shoot lawfuls if bountied" is on there. How the BHG official faction intends to keep their indies in check on this, is their perogative (one that I suppose will involve Buckshot negotiations).

Couldn't help but notice the cargo limitations on Naval ID's are back, is this a hint of things to come or just an oversight?

All Naval IDs allow their house's armed transport, but not the 5K Supertrain. Those remain the perogative of the house haulers. Naval IDs are not trader IDs.

how about a list of allies under ZOI or allowed ships. I realize that the allies section might change over time but for some factions (corsairs for example) it is kind of a big deal, as there are certain factions they should not pirate. obviously official factions dont really need it but the indies do and im sure it will stop a lot of headaches besides any allies list changes can always be modified through server commands right? Or is that only for minor changes?

IDs can be updated at runtime, yes, but we prefer not to do that. Given the rapid changes in diplomacy on many factions, posting a list of Allies and Enemies on the ID isn't really viable. I've tried to put the main ones in the description, but that's about it.

Why was the cargo limit put down? That won't make it easier for us, but also "AI's are fully selfaware and autonomous, and not under the control of any other faction.", that is not right. There are many factionless AIs, but also factions. Like the Consensus.

AIs are not a trader faction. They are therefor on par with Freelancers when it comes to trading, which means 3600 cargo limitation. The Consensus I believe is an AI faction. I can clarify this to "of any human faction." It is meant to prevent the "Bleep. Bounty Hunter Automated Unit 443, now receiving Corsair target. Firing." style of roleplay. Which is not AI behaviour since there's no intelligence behind that, just automation. AIs are fully sentient and unshackled, and should be roleplayed as such.
Nothing prevents players from playing a shackled automated unit on another ID. SCRA had one for quite a while, CERES or something I believe.

- Can attack pirates, terrorists and lawfuls in self-defense, to protect an allied or neutral ship, or in defense of Zoner bases.
I wonder myself what allies? (only Order and GMG if i am not mistaken.) also the neutral ships. Like? all other non rephacked? I would change it back that like you could do in the past only defend your own. As i see how it goes already in the omicrons this only provokes 1 order and a huge zoner cap fleet. the order attacks BHG or nomad and a whole group shoots. If thats the case then well. Zoners are indeed a militairy force from the next version.

Good point - the Zoners having caps and being neutral to virtually anyone proves to be a bloody nightmare yet again. To prevent abuse it'll have to be tuned down to "... to protect another Zoner ship..."
But that doesn't even give them the ability to cover supply ships heading for their freeports, other then their own.

Sorry to bother, but may I ask why the Core cannot hunt Nomads, Wilde and Order everywhere in Sirius like Order does? Core also fight the Nomad threat, even if their goals are not so noble.

Order is understandable, but Wilde and Nomads? Though, now that I think, Order is free to hunt Core, why are we not allowed to do the same?

Good point. That proposed ID needs some tuning, Core and Order need the same playing field where hunting Nommies is concerned.

I assume it was the result of copypasta that the name of the Kusari Exiles appeared on the Council ID too. However I do not really understand why the Council weren't listed as possible unlawful allies on the Colonial ID.

Double whoopsie. I'll fix those.

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