Proposal: ID changes for 4.87

[Karst]

- Gaian ID: I suggest changing "Cannot attack Gallic Royal Navy." to "May only attack Gallic Royal Navy in self-defense."
Pointless. You can always retaliate in selfdefense, part of the core server rules.

I know it is, but since ID rules can override server rules in other cases, this might be confusing.

It is not problematic. Indy pirates are competition to pirate factions. Problem is that most actual indy pirates are affiliates of the actual pirate factions, but just use the Pirate ID because it gives them more flexibility. Which in my opinion is just plain misuse of the ID.

Why? Freelancers can be affiliated with different factions to show they work with or for them, why not pirates?
Some pirate factions are generally friendly towards independent Pirates *cough* GC *cough*, why shouldn't a pirate be able to support a particular faction without being a member?

But eh....

But again, this is something for another thread and outside the scope of the ID discussions.

Fair enough, I digress. I can understand the arguments for this, but I don't support it.

Your other answers pretty much answered my questions, thanks.

It is not so much a special case any more as pretty much every faction will likely have their main enemy (that's the main group they encounter bc that is what sparked the conflict) as "can treat your soft targets as combat targets" soon.

For my faction, about 80 % of all piracy encounters are with OC. So it would mean a huge change.

For DHC, I bet 80-90 % of the piracy encounters are Hessians.

If this line gets introduced, every faction should have their part of the "fun" of getting the "Hey, U enemy!" "Die!" kind of "roleplay". Pavel already spelled it out who should have whom as "hardly rp, just pew!".

Will be interesting to see the number of sanctions, QQ and rage because the means of griefing especially the weaker players (still making money on soft transports) have just become so much more effective! Isn't stomping those that cannot really fight back what we are here for? Best with minimal to no rp, to make the point? <sarcasm>

If you do not believe it... ask DHC. They have gone through this for 2 years with Hessians and there are oorp trenches between the players because of it.

I do not think we need this kind of oorp hate between every soft target faction and their "natural enemy".

Gameplay > Lore.

I was going to mention this but forgot: I agree, it can be problematic for gameplay reasons in some cases, particularly when factions with caps are involved.
DHC-Hessians, like you said, and IMG-Outcasts. I dread the day when Outcast capfleets siege Tau-23 and instaengage every IMG-ID'd ship.

For special cases like that, it could be removed. But I don't agree that it should be removed entirely from all IDs.

Corsairs ID:

- Can treat all GMG, Outcast, Molly and Red Hessian vessels as combat targets.

Where is IMG?

As far as I know, Corsairs aren't super hostile towards the IMG. Definitely not like they are towards GMG, Outcasts, Mollys, and Hessians.

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