Some nice new reading in here. Glad to see you somewhat back, Dab. Sorry, Vince, I'm going to have to side with either Dab's idea or a civil war. Samura has been open in the past, there is a precedent, they did the original succesful coup after all. The thing is the important factor that it's recognized that conflict is the grease that keeps the Disco gears turning. Something I always understood and thus started little wars if there was stagnation showing. Dab's idea actually ends up including a handfull more factions then my idea I had thought of awhile back. We need to have mechanisms that keeps things moving in some direction especially this late in the community's existance.