Liberty forcing Junker fr5's

[Jack_Henderson]

So you harbour criminals and are mad at police for asking you out on it, really?

Oh, I know this line so well from IMG bases.
Dozens of times. Always the same:
"Why you harbor the criminal!!!"

No? I don't?

A player who I have no control over used my base in my absence, likely to get away from an encounter he would lose. Thereby he angered a lawful player.

The base owner also has no control over the NPC bases because of game mechanics. Everybody better than -0.55 can - in the meaning of "is able to" - dock.

So... totally, the owner is responsible and not the player that docked there even though he should not have in the given situation. <sarcasm>

So people should definitely direct their roleplay at the "harbouring faction", and not at the person who actually attacked/docked/caused it. <sarcasm>

How hard it has to be to properly police your own stations

Easy answer: Impossible.
It is impossible by gameplay limitations.
Semi-lawful factions have friends that should not dock at a few of your bases, but definitely should be able to dock at some other bases. Gameplay mechanics are not capable of giving a faction a chance to say: "ID X is allowed to use Base Y, but not Base Z".

I'm pretty sure LPI, LN and LSF inRP have their means to take out Rochester if it becomes too much of an issue

Always this threat.
You do realize that the person who made the mistake is not the one who you threaten with game-changing consequences.
And I'll not even talk about what the disappearance of quasi-lawful bases because of "bad dockings" would mean for gameplay.

[...]educate your unlawful compatriots, and you won't ever have a problem with police anymore.

Impossible.
Have been trying it for years in Taus.
Sisyphos is more successful.
And you are talking about NY. So... forget it. It's totally unrealistic.

[...]there are roleplaying consequences for roleplaying actions.

I agree with the statement.
However: should an action of nameless indy X have consequences for official faction Y who was not even in the scene, had no say and has no control over the NPC base gameplay-wise?

Damn right Liberty and any other lawfuls are going to ask you to FR5 outlaws docking on your bases

Yes. It is incredibly annoying to do the FR5 rp (you have the work, even though you have no gain and you had nothing to do with it), but it's somewhat logical.

I find it overdone for indie messy-dockings, though.
Just ignore these if they are not outrageously badly done?
Why spend time on forcing some unwanted, useless roleplay without any consequences if you could use the time to have fun?

or fine you for it, or just shoot you outright.

So someone who had nothing to do with the situation, who cannot influence the outcome can be fined, made red or shot?

You realize that - if I e.g. do not like Junkers for some reason - such a person could create indies, cause 20 of these situations, and screw over official factions that would face dire consequences without any way of influencing it?

[...] calmly wave something like this off going "sure sure, we'll take care of it.." and then offer some sort of service as compensation for the lawfuls to turn a blind eye.

Good call there. It would create positive rp.
As a semi-lawful NPC base owner with dozens of similar cases over the last years, I can just add that it sucks the fun out of the game if the solution is demanded in a pistol-to-the-head way, which however seems to be the norm. It immediately makes the situation feel like... "Great. I am being screwed over for someone else's mistake" oorp reaction.

asking for admin protection on the forums and asking people to turn a blind eye to you so as to maintain the quasi lawful status you had in vanilla rather than trying to uphold it through your own actions.

I agree that the "admin, please protect!" way is uncool.

It normally comes to the mind when the consequences that the innocent faction is faced with seem harsher than its players are willing to accept (for the fact that they had no say, nor any way of influencing this outcome at all). Therefore, I think it is at least understandable that there is an unwillingness to take the blame and suffer the negative fallout for the bad actions of others.

However, opponents of this quasi-lawful status also have to keep in mind that there is literally no means to keep these messy dockings from happening, and consequently address these messy situations calmly. Gun-to-the-head "do it or we make you red and shoot you out" kind of roleplay sucks really really hard for the receiving faction.


tldr; summary: Keep in mind that the base owner faction has no chance to keep these situations from appearing and that they are actually not the ones responsible for creating the mess. However, everybody seems to find it natural that they have to deal with them, pay the price and live with the consequences. That's somewhat wrong.

A reason why Officials tend to send these is mostly spite. They are angry their blue got away from them and want to make things annoying for the person in question, if they have to bully another faction to do it than so be it. All hail the allmighty Blue.

This subject has been brought up time and time again, it's unlikely to change unless a majority of factions/admins can agree this behaviour is harmful to gameplay/roleplay.

And this.