(12-21-2018, 11:45 AM)Riehl Wrote: The devs seem to realise that it's important for new factions not to step on the corpse of vanilla factions. I'm glad this is a thing.
But for 'Disco' factions? Hohohohoho, let me tell you........
I don't know about how well Harmony has been integrated with/into LN's lore and would be interested to hear about it, and the level of involvement of all the parties involved. I've not heard of much drama about that specific point of their canonization at least (more so just about the general defection RP, but that doesn't necessarily relate to Harmony specifically).
Why do you keep calling it defection rp when we were deserting? I don't think Harmony defected either, they didn't join another faction.
I would also appreciate if you keep finger pointing claims out of your posts
You left one cause and joined/started another one. That's defection. Also when I said defection doesn't relate to Harmony specifically, I meant as in they're not the only ones who are critisied for such RP. It's not only a single group or individuals who catch that flak.
(12-21-2018, 11:52 AM)Durandal Wrote: I came away from your post feeling like you didn't even really read the FCR criteria, Lyth. Simple mercenary factions are not up for canonization. Factions forced to use the Freelancer ID due to lack of an ID which actually fits their agenda, are. We take our jobs very seriously here, and people will not be able to have their factions canonized into the lore of the mod on a whim. Unless they add something of value and make sense, they aren't getting anywhere near the official storyline.
I hate the fact that I have to type this next part out, but alarmist rhetoric using the very small number of currently canon non-vanilla factions which existed before any standardization of procedure is neither useful nor desired in moving forward. Legitimate concerns are welcome, grudges are not.
Maybe I wasn't clear. I got that merc factions wouldn't get it, I was trying to explain that Freelancer factions are much more free form and can change their lore and purpose at the push of a button. And whilst that purpose could meet a criteria on the FCR, it's very important that the Staff pay attention to their changes in lore leading up to that. All I'm saying. But after what you've just said I trust that will be the case.
I'm using those cases because they're the only cases we have for this sort of thing. And whilst I don't know about Harmony, Auxesia's implementation was not done well. And lol, throwing away myself and others concerns as grudges is exactly what lead to the impasse and the feeling of having concerns being ignored that I touched upon previously. I don't really care about Auxesia as a faction overall and have no ill will towards the people in it, so we can drop the accusation of grudges and stop trying to dissolve my point with such emotional rhetoric. Lore was canonized that conflicts with other previously written lore and it was the job of the story team to ensure this doesn't happen. It's obvious that unfortunately that's not going to be rectified. So hopefully in future cases it will. This is just a cautionary tale of how not to do an FCR.
(12-21-2018, 11:51 AM)TheShooter36 Wrote: Lyth, as much as i am generally neutral to your posts, i am afraid this post is solely faction bashing. Devs are well aware (or should be) that a canonized faction should not overshadow existing factions. Thus, both factions have a reasonable status quo. In Aux's case, they do not step on Core's toes at all, considering they are not loitering around in 156545677776442 Makos or bullheads and merely stick to smaller crafts, which are far easier to reproduce. And faaaar away from Core's operational zone.
You've missed my point. Auxesia doesn't overshadow or overlap with Core. My point is that in the past canonization was done with no QA or input from other factions involved, and doing it in that way creates problems and leaves a bad taste. I don't want to go into lengthy discussion as my point isn't about Auxesia specifically but this overall process moving forward. If you want to know my gripes on that Shooter we can discuss it on Discord.