I wanted to attack Libs with the frogs too, and then shamelessly betray them in the crucial battle like when the Saxons betrayed Napoleon at Leipzig 1813 (and have Leeds burned as retribution by the retreating frogs and an uneasy new relationship with the Libs), but it's too late now. I'd prefer not to post anything here and let the discussion go on, but I'll have to correct its heading from time to time: we're discussing Bretonia's future, not its alternative history. I can make a flood thread about that, though. @Capt. Henry Morgan made a nice RP story about it, btw.