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PETITION: Nerf NPCs
Offline sovereign
04-07-2009, 04:13 AM,
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' Wrote:/signed.

(Should I expand my post?)

Don't bother, it would appear that the people who can fix these things aren't going to no matter what we say.




Yes, Mjolnir, I'm aware that 50-odd people think that nerfing the NPCs is the wrong answer. I'm also aware that about three people in this entire thread have said that NPCs are not badly in need of fixing (not necessarily nerfing, which the poll was about), as opposed to the fifty-odd who posted full complaints with examples. Are you going to tell them that they're wrong, that their characters didn't get owned by those NPCs? Yes, there's some Navy Weapons Platforms at Ithaca. Yes, the Unioners are stronger. The Unioners also don't have perfect aim and occasionally shoot at things other than you. They're a problem and have killed my flea once or twice out of the dozen chars I've setup in Rheinland, but as of yet I have never gotten a flea out of Pennsylvania on my first try. Ever. Even when the server's busy, it's about 50/50. Screw the numbers, something is wrong, if the NPCs shouldn't be capable of that kind of destruction then find out what's causing it. There IS a problem there whether your or not you'll admit it, I believe that the posters in this thread have established that. You seem to be the only one who cares that it "should" work find yet doesn't.

As for the set of plaguing fleas taking "only three passes"... in the event you actually have done that, remember that you're one of the better pilots on the server? Not to stroke your ego or anything, but you are, and not everyone else is that good. Just because it takes you only three passes to wipe out a patrol doesn't mean that everyone else must fail at life if they can't kill them that fast, especially in a transport.

Also, the EK trick doesn't exactly fly in a transport. Half of the time, they CD you anyway, and the other half of the time they follow you at full speed anyway. If an NPC patrol shows up and attacks your transport, your profits basically just got halved, since even if the EK trick *does* work, you're still only going at 130 m/s as opposed to 350 m/s. No, you can't just wait a few seconds and startup cruise, that doesn't work when the enemy is within 3k and I'm in a fighter with full CMs and it's certainly not going to be any better when the NPCs impulse as fast as I thrust (and the NPCs do move faster than us, hell, I remember some catching up to my ship on cruise when they were quite obviously on impulse...).

And as for the specific examples that somehow disprove the trend, like the Legionnaire... you haven't, by chance, ever actually tried to kill an NPC Legionnaire, have you? I spent five minutes killing just one of them in one of my Eagles. I consider a reduced agility on it a piece of mercy rather than balance...

So... any more things you'd like to say the playerbase is wrong about? Maybe say that we should all do high-level missions in our fighters (and yes, I've been sent up against a set of Osirises in a mission that went for 120k, you *cannot* predict which will give you fighters and which caps in locations where both are offered)? Perhaps you'll next suggest that we fly nothing but LFs, KU DDs, and things that fly like those ships- but no, the Whale must be surely as combat capable as those ships! Or howabout say that our facts are all wrong and that all these things we're complaining about never happened and are actually cardamine-induced hallucinations! That's definitely more likely than the playerbase being right about anything.

Sorry for the tone here, but I'm getting a bit fed up with being told "you're wrong, shut up" or "then you must just suck" when it seems like everyone else has the same issue. I can understand it when all the posts are "/signed" but when they're "/signed because of A, B, and C" you might want to consider listening. Fancy that, listening to people. Sadly, it seems to be about as common as avoiding NPC CDs.

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PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by pieguy259 - 04-06-2009, 09:44 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by Captain - 04-06-2009, 09:49 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by Derkylos - 04-06-2009, 09:52 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by slashhammer - 04-06-2009, 09:54 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by globalplayer-svk - 04-06-2009, 09:56 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by pieguy259 - 04-06-2009, 09:59 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by dead_shot - 04-06-2009, 09:59 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by globalplayer-svk - 04-06-2009, 10:09 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by Cyberanson - 04-06-2009, 10:12 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by JakeSG - 04-06-2009, 10:15 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by pieguy259 - 04-06-2009, 10:17 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by Derkylos - 04-06-2009, 10:28 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by Eternal - 04-06-2009, 10:29 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by mjolnir - 04-06-2009, 10:31 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by Exile - 04-06-2009, 10:32 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by Blackvertigo1 - 04-06-2009, 10:35 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by sean24 - 04-06-2009, 10:36 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by Jessica.Cannon - 04-06-2009, 10:48 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by Eppy - 04-06-2009, 10:49 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by El Nino - 04-06-2009, 10:50 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by Eppy - 04-06-2009, 10:52 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by mjolnir - 04-06-2009, 10:54 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by Eppy - 04-06-2009, 11:02 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by mjolnir - 04-06-2009, 11:08 AM
PETITION: Nerf NPCs - by D56 - 04-06-2009, 11:09 AM
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