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Poll: Gallic Junkers
Offline Tenacity
07-28-2009, 04:44 AM, (This post was last modified: 07-28-2009, 04:44 AM by Tenacity.)
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So while thinking about my gallic junker character today, an interesting thought struck me... how is it that, despite being almost completely seperated for hundreds of years, both Gallic and Sirius junkers use exactly the same ships and technology?

Going by rumors on gallic junker bases - only a few of the sirian junker leaders ever even knew about gallia, it was all very hush-hush. Most junkers in Sirius were none the wiser until the pathways into Gallia opened up and the truth was revealed to everyone, junker and non junker alike.

Now, we do know that the original junkers are from gallia, and that some of them came into Sirius and began the Sirian junker groups we have today.

Here are a few things I'm going to assume:
1. Junkers from gallia came into all four houses - but were promptly thrown out of kusari.
2. Junkers brought their ships and technology with them from gallia, aka the CSV and Barragers. The ship design was obviously adopted by the original Hogosha after they dealt with the junkers who were flying them.
3. From the original point of time in which junkers came to Sirius, their technology has slowly evolved based on their needs.

So basically, the CSV we have today, and the other junker ships, were developed over time by SIRIAN junkers, and while the Gallic junkers may have had an original ship design similar to the CSV, it is unlikely that their technological evolution would have taken the same trajectory, based on differing goals.

One of the things that has always bothered me about vanilla junkers, and the junkers we have today on disco, is that their ships do not fit with their purpose. Junker ships, by infocard and basic design, are great for salvage purposes... but the textures and general condition of the ship just dont fit. In essence, junker ships are too 'clean' and 'shiny' right now.



So, the thought came to mind that, because of these hundreds of years of separation, on top of a different environment to live in, Gallic junkers should have unique ships and weapons available to them. Their technology would have developed along different lines than Sirius junker technology did.

So, here are my thoughts:

1. Ships

The new gallic junker ship models would have the same basic shape as the CSV/Collector, with minor differentiations to show a different line of development. However, I would like to see a sort of 'steampunk' design put into them... lots of piping, rusty textures, valves, gauges, etc. The idea is that junkers in gallia, while they are more 'legal' and on better terms with the government, are not as heavy into smuggling as they are into salvaging and merchanting.

My view of the gallic junkers, outside of their role in stealing technology from sirius (and keep in mind this is only my opinion), is that you'd have junkers on every streetcorner in gallia hawking merchandise salvaged from whatever source - but at the same time, these individuals are keeping open ears and eyes, watching the populace of gallia, and acting as informants for the royalists. When they see criminals or maquis, they inform the local authorities, and get paid off for it. Basically acting as spies with the cover of selling salvaged and refurbished goods.

As far as balancing goes, we have already seen that gallic ships (lawful and unlawful alike) are balanced on a completely different scale than sirius ships. There's only one VHF in gallia, for example. Most gallic ships seem fairly small in scale, but are still fairly tough, with their Heavy fighters able to stand up to VHF's fairly easily. Going on this, instead of having a VHF like the collector, the gallic junker version would be a heavy fighter, with more manuverability but a bit less firepower.

2. Weapons

Junkers have more to fear in gallia than anywhere else in sirius, with perhaps the sole exception of Kusari. Going along the general interfaction behavior in gallia, Junkers have to worry about constant attacks from the Maquis, Brigands, and Unione Corse - they work with the council and those factions occasionally, but more often than not are on the wrong end of the gun barrel. Because of this, they need to be able to fight back and defend their ships.

Barragers, any way you slice them, suck. Every junker knows this, and most Junker fighters/bombers I've seen will more readily use lame civilian weaponry than they will their own faction guns. Further, Barragers were a Sirius junker development, not a gallic junker development - it is safe to say that they are at least based on an original gallic design, but evolution in gallic junker technology would have likely lead to a different result.

I dont have stat suggestions yet, but simply put... Gallic Junkers should have weapons on par with the Culverins and such used by the other Gallic Factions.

3. ID

Going along with the above two points, it would be necessary to seperate junker and gallic junker ships/equipment. Gallic junker ships and equipment need to stay in gallia, or at the most not be allowed to stray more than a system or two outside of gallia.

To that end, a "Galllic Junker" (Ferraileur?) ID would be added. The Gallic Junker weapons and ships mentioned above would state in their infocards that they can only be used by someone with a gallic junker ID. The gallic junker ID would not allow the player to leave gallic space (perhaps only allowing entrance to omicron 80 / orkney), but other than that restriction be basically the same as the current junker ID, re-worded for the position of a junker in gallia.



So, I'll send some PM's to the well known ship designers to see what we can come up with as far as a unique ship appearance, but I want to know what the rest of the disco community thinks about this seperation between Sirius and Gallic junkers first.

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Messages In This Thread
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by Tenacity - 07-28-2009, 04:44 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by Sprolf - 07-28-2009, 04:47 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by Canadianguy - 07-28-2009, 04:50 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by worldstrider - 07-28-2009, 04:56 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by Dusty Lens - 07-28-2009, 04:56 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by Tenacity - 07-28-2009, 05:06 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by worldstrider - 07-28-2009, 05:09 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by Tenacity - 07-28-2009, 05:13 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by tansytansey - 07-28-2009, 06:41 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by farmerman - 07-28-2009, 06:49 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by Benjamin - 07-28-2009, 07:15 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by Hawkwings - 07-28-2009, 07:19 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by Tenacity - 07-28-2009, 07:48 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by tansytansey - 07-28-2009, 08:11 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by Tenacity - 07-28-2009, 08:15 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by tansytansey - 07-28-2009, 08:27 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by Pihe - 07-28-2009, 08:56 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by Karlotta - 07-28-2009, 09:00 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by sobuor - 07-28-2009, 01:11 PM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by tazuras - 07-28-2009, 08:52 PM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by Benjamin - 07-28-2009, 11:21 PM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by Elsdragon - 07-28-2009, 11:29 PM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by Grail - 07-28-2009, 11:39 PM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by Tenacity - 07-29-2009, 01:47 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by Dusty Lens - 07-29-2009, 01:55 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by Tenacity - 07-29-2009, 01:58 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by Dusty Lens - 07-29-2009, 02:03 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by AJBeast - 07-29-2009, 02:09 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by Dab - 07-29-2009, 02:13 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by Blodo - 07-29-2009, 02:16 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by Tenacity - 07-29-2009, 02:48 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by farmerman - 07-29-2009, 03:01 AM
Poll: Gallic Junkers - by Tenacity - 07-29-2009, 03:07 AM

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