' Wrote:I can see your point here about the moral irresponsibility of pirates... its like blackmarket armsdealers: they sell to anyone and don't care who gets killed by the stuff they sell.
But I could argue that the phantoms may actually be bad for business for pirates... blowing up transports without dealing in loot, which is kinda like shooting up a pimp's, drug dealer's, or mugger's neighborhood and "clients", and then expecting the pimp, dealer, and stick-up-guy will will accept you with open arms and pour you drinks, simply because you broke the law and they also break laws. I'm not sure what you mean with "lost revenue through unnecessary angst". Is the lost revenue the .75l drinks they would be pouring for this spaceship pilot, or the money repairing the ships and weapons which they aren't able to repair in RP, which they cant because if they could everyone would be using looted weapons? And the "angst" is the unreasonable fear of being in the same room with a psychopathic killer who likes to kill people for the fun of it? Could you be more specific?
Well, as I figure it, docking costs money, rooms cost money, food costs money, drinks cost money, repairs cost money, and a Phantom can always just give away more money if they don't like us. Overall, lots of money can be given to pirates. Like I said before, we're elusive, so we might spend days at a time inside of Buffalo or Nome calling room service, which is lots of money for pirates, if you ask me, as money is no problem to us. Call that 120 credits a day chump change to the server economy, but to an average person, 120 credits a day for food ration is a lot, not to mention what we could be overcharged because we know we're creepy and it's kind of disconcerting to have a Phantom sitting inside the base.
As to angst, look at the Junkers, they're shaking in their boots running to quickdock whenever they see us. Apparently we're scary. Heck, there was a poll in Flood a little bit back about whether we or the Keepers were more of a threat, and despite the fact that we're less than half their size with at most 1/8 their arsenal, we were voted as being more dangerous. I don't really understand how, but with that kind of reputation, I can really see the movie scene Schlurbi described as being something of an RP reality.
' Wrote:Or I could say that most terrorists are actually very picky with whom they deal, and that they have a very strict code of values and honor, more strict than people who stay within the law... that's what makes them the intransigent terrorist brickheads they are. Al Queda would'nt colaborate with the Lord's resistance army in Uganda, some nutjob rightwing US rifle militia, the RAF, the IRA, ETA... only with those who they know correspond to their narrow-minded worldview, and that goes for all of those groups. Xeno's wouldnt collaborate with the GCs simply because both are terrorists, so why would Xenos or GC want to work with phantoms? If they were you, they would tilt their hats and let each other dock?
The Xenos actually enjoy our company because DarkStar was a Liberty folk and we technically made our start as Xenos. GC aren't of the utmost moral caliber, so I think blowing up KNF and Samura is enough for them. Mollys can be easily sated by blowing up a whole bunch of BMM. Bundschuh can be pleased by exploiting the inadequacies of the Rheinland government. Unioners can be happy when we blow up Republican, LWB for Synth Foods. Blood Dragons are another story because they are xenophobic, but destroying KNF and Samura appears to do well enough (as far as I know).
Of course, if anyone shows displeasure at this justification, you can just tell us and we can ask Cannon to make us hostile. Seriously, it's not even our choice, it's everyone else's choice. I can't even say anything about this because we're doing our RP of taking advantage of pirate bases, and it's the other side's turn if they see something wrong.
' Wrote:Thing is... its kinda hard to argue in this line of thinking which you are projecting... because frankly, I have tried to read up on their forum RP and faction background, and tried to observe their RP ingame (which was hard because quite a few times I just got a SNAC in the face before I knew what happened), but I can not figure out what the Phantoms, if they are terrorists, actually want, and why they choose terrorism as their tactic, or even call themselves terrorists.
From what I saw, I'm sorry but I dont belong to your generation and therefore maybe I dont understand this properly manga/anime/emo stuff properly but...
the phantoms are not terrorists but...
Homicidal Emos.
Till now I have never seen a phantom make a terrorist demand (meaning a "you do this and we stop doing that") or tactic (meaning "the terror in your hearts serves our goals for this and this reason"), but all I saw was "you ran from me without saying hello! this makes me sad! apologize! not good enough! Im still crying! BOOYAH SNAC IN YA FACE WUAHAHAHA!".
I'm very sorry but thats not a terrorist, that's a homicidal emo.
If you want to be terrorists, you shoud really think about goals and tactics more, and make sure your members know about it.
Currently, I'm more terrified of LNS lolfleet cruiser captains than of the phantoms.
I'm sorry, but as far as I know, the characters of yours we have killed are not really in-RP important at all. There is no reason for us to give you a demand if you continue to move and don't cooperate; you're just another number in the list of crimes someone has committed which could have been us. We're semi-religious terrorists which look to instate a temporary anarchy in Sirius so our gods can sweep into Sirius like the Revenant predicted. Why would I tell some Joe-Schmoe who doesn't even stop when I ask him to that information? Call us what you will, but unless we encounter someone who can actually make a change in Sirius, our demands are be scared, die somehow, or perform a service if you're extra nice. That is how an interaction with a terrorist goes, just like how a pirate will pirate you, a terrorist will kill you. Unless you happen to be a CEO in some major corporation or an important member of a Military or Police faction, there's very little for us to do with you. Someone has to die, and sometimes it's you.
Also, anime/manga/emo stuff? Apparently you know more about it than I do, because I wasn't aware that I was mimicking any of those things. I don't even know if that's a good or a bad thing.
And, you know what, if you aren't afraid, that's your choice, and good on you. I just hope your fear of LNS fleets is more from RP than OoRP, just like your feelings on us. Aside from that, I don't think anyone can ask anything else about it. I hope it all just translates to fun on the server.
' Wrote:Its kind of a phenomenon...
Whenever you're being massacred by keepers, Order| ships cant be arsed to assist you, and then you find out that half the Order| members are either in the Keepers or have a pending application.
And when you see a group of Rheinland merc pirates in New York, and there is no LN to be found and the LPI stubbornly refuses to lift a finger, you see one of the Rheinland pirates say in system chat "ok we made enough money... wanna go on our LN chars now? // oops sorry thought I was talking in group chat"
Or that its perfect common sense that Order can never land on Malta and Outcasts can never land on Omicron Minor, although they are not enemies in the rep list. But even if the Phantoms have "enemies: everyone" in their inforcard, it feels more like "can land: where they wanna".
I'm not saying there is no sense to phantom RP and docking habits, I'm just saying that the sense is a bit too "elusive", which us of course natural for such an elusive faction.
Maybe you should... you know... stoop down to our level and explain your RP better for the mere mortal?
I'm not sure what you're saying here. We're terrorists. We kill people. That's the RP. We're trying to spread fear throughout the houses to instate a temporary anarchy by any rhetoric, be it Bundschuh, Blood Dragon, Xeno, Gaian, whatever. The means don't matter, as long as that end is reached. That is our holy doctrine and why we kill people. If we can create doubt in the security and stability of the Houses, more people will pay into the extreme values, and anarchy will eventually come. There are lots of little details here and there, but that's a subject more for a pm because it'd be an even bigger wall of text. We kill people. We try not to die. That's pretty much the jist of it.
And what Pipboy is really trying to say is that if you read back somewhere in the range of 1-40 pages, you can probably find the answer to all of your questions, multiple times. That is pretty boring to respond to.
[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.