' Wrote:As I said I dont have in-depth understanding of this youth culture as I'm too old and grey for it, but what I meant was that externally, the phantoms seem to have this "I'm so dark and mysterious and totally caught up in my personal problems that it makes me totally dangerous" thing in common with what I observe in some anime/manga and emos/goths. But my observations and impressions are of course superficial and I wondered if there was something in your RP that I didn't understand.
Examples of this sort of behavior from Phantoms would be what Zelot said, the example where the Phantom trader because he was "offended" although the trader apologized and met all his demands, and the rather gay way with which phantoms talk to each other, with "kiss and hugs" and so on. "Gay" being not intended as offensive to gay people, but the stereotype-gay being the best way to describe it.
It is because we want to be worshiped, above the almighty credit. We want to make people realize that their lives are bigger and more important than the society they live in and so the society must change. Most traders offer us money, but that only perpetuates the system which we are looking to destabilize, which means that we want to change their souls. We want to strip them of their civilized emotions and make them feel the first basic emotion: fear. If the character we are interacting with feels that fear and portrays it, begging for mercy, prostrating himself on the floor of his ship weeping for his life, then he is ours, and he will have a service to perform, because then he will feel the second base emotion: love. He will love us for sparing him, if only for a few moments, but that emotion was there, and that emotion is what changes people's minds, and people's minds are what changes society. That is why we kill most people, because they cannot portray their characters as showing a basic fear. Most people don't even develop their characters that far; they just worship the credit as the ultimate gain/loss.
' Wrote:I think the junkers and others do that mainly because you shoot them before they can say "eek", so its not really a good example of "unjustified angst" as you said before. I wouldnt know about the poll or what other people think, but my reaction to phantoms when I see them is more to roll my eyes than to be scared.
Like I said, as long as that is an RP roll eyes, rather than an OoRP roll eyes, then I guess we have more RP to do. I rather think the Junkers have a good RP going of being scared of us, because we have killed a lot of them. I don't know about you, but I don't enjoy exploding, and so I rather am afraid of things which can make my characters explode just like they are.
' Wrote:I think there is a misunderstanding...
I wasn't the trader that got killed, I was merely watching the incident. The trader only tried to run at first. After he was CDed he did everything the phantom said and offered money but was killed anyway.
The time I was killed, I was instakilled while watching a conversation between phantoms and someone else, and after the before mentioned trader was killed, the phantom opened fire on me without warning while I was typing, and when he realized he wasn't winning he fled to Cali base.
Again, I don't like exploding, so when I'm fighting something I'm losing against, I like to run. I like to think that sentiment is shared throughout the faction. As to the specific things, not much I can say without, well, specifics. >.>
' Wrote:I always thought that Xenos were also xenophobic. Why did the Xenos wish to help the phantoms? Maybe Darkstar was libertonians but so are the LN and LPI. I mean ok phantoms kill lawfuls and foreigners but they kill Libertonians just as much.
According to the infocards, GC fight for women's rights, Mollies for independence, Bundschuh for liberty and democracy (I think), Unioners for worker's rights, LWB for farmer's rights. I dont see how any of those would be furthered by randomly blowing people up, just because some of the people you blow up may also coincidentally have been enemies of named factions.
Since those would actually want to gain support from the population instead of alienating them, siding with phantoms would be rather detrimental to their cause, in my opinion.
Well, then, that's your opinion, and if you're the leader of one of these factions at some point, feel free to pm me, Zelot, Virus, or Hoodlum with a request that we become hostile with your faction. However, I withhold the privilege of respectfully disagreeing with you in seeing the gravity of those faction's vendettas against other factions as being much larger, however respect your interpretation of canon and thank you for sharing your opinion. If any one of these factions wants to FR 5 us, they can talk to us or file one. No problems on this side.
' Wrote:Thats exactly the point.
If I WAS a CEO or important member of a military or police faction, what WOULD you want me to do to stop you from killing people?
I know the answer to that for every RL or freelancer terrorist group, but I don't know it for Phatnoms.
I think we can agree that simply randomly blowing up a few ships here and there isn't going to make Sirius descend into anarchy.
If you want to strengthen extremes, then why don't phantoms pretend to be the other terrorist factions and pin their "accomplishments" on them?
If you pose as someone who kills for the fun of it, you are going to unite people against you, not make them fight among themselves.
What I think, and what I was trying to say with those examples, is that sometimes people tend to make deals, alliances, give privileges, and do favors because of inter-player relations, and that the RP experience of other people suffers greatly from it if its over-done.
We want the CEO to feel basic fear. We want to remove him from civilization and feel that fear, because only after he feels that fear can he respect us, whether he knows that he is doing so or not. Near-death experiences change people's lives, and that is what we want to give people. It's not our job to proclaim that people support the Xeno cause, we want them to question their own rhetoric and at least see the merit of another rhetoric. Change like what we are trying to do comes very slowly, but it does come, and even if it is a lost cause, not everything in history was done for the most logical reasons. We kill people. If you're not dead, you're scared. That's how it goes.
' Wrote:Venomous tongues have told me that some members of the phanoms are, or have been in the past, also prominent members in LPI, LN, LR, Xenos, and a few more. Thats what I was trying to hint at about strange docking rights or strange lack of assistence from allegedly allied forces in some situations. Sometimes people think they are talking with two groups, when they are really talking to the same group two times.
You do, but the rules are more liberal for you than they are for other people.
For example I saw the phantom who blew up the trader mercilessly without demand file a violation report about someone else for lack of pirate demand. I know thats within the rules, but somehow... I dont know... something doenst feel right, cant put my finger on what it is. Oh yeah... hypocricy?
Ok, I understand. I was shocked by my wall of text when I saw it posted. Too much coffee I guess.
How ever, can I remind you of one last question?
How do the phantoms afford all that room service on Bufallo, I mean what is their source of income?
I wont metagame the info, I promise.
As I see it, we sell information and counterfeit.
I hope that helps. Legitimately.
[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.