' Wrote:Bretonia, Dab, I admire your dedication to protecting O-3 after we all had such a hassle to give you clear rights to it before, but up until Dakun actively attempted to instigate a brawl on the Freeport, your primary concern should've been Rheinland poking into your space. Technically, yeah, I suppose you could construe Blood Diamonds as contraband given that they're meant to support Hessian activities and the Hessians are an unlawful group, but you know, I think Rheinland had that covered. The two of you should've been communicating more instead of threatening Dakun from both sides and declaring a near-annexation of the space and forcing Bretonian control over administrator selection. Cite Beth all you want, we almost had a real problem there. Once Dakun showed clear intent to cause a disturbance in Bretonian space, I can be all for the crack-down, but before then it seemed unnecessarily totalitarian, especially since he did quickly remove the BDs from the order, even after which he was continually hounded by your folks.
It amazes me how people can completely ignore prior posts in this thread.
For the last time;
My character was in Omega-3 that day to kick BDM out. You can ask the BDM I kicked out and he'll confirm that. You can ask the BDM Director and he'll confirm that. Said Director stepped down from his position after that fiasco. I then had to deal with a Privateer who was misbehaving. I did not go there to deal with Dakun, since he wasn't even online at the time I logged in or arrived. He logged in in the midst of me dealing with the BDM/Privateer issue. I didn't even get an opportunity to directly speak to Dakun. So trying to say I went there to kill Dakun is absurd. I went there to deal with the BDM, and there are two BDM, a Privateer, two Freelancers, and half a dozen BAF who can testify to that fact. It was during my trying to deal with the Privateer that Dakun went and did the stupid things in-game that he did.
' Wrote:your primary concern should've been Rheinland poking into your space.
As I stated above; That was the primary concern. It got dealt with. I also went and kicked the RM indy cruiser and battleship out of Omega-3 that had entered it in violation of the Omega treaty. I then also included my warning to Rheinland in my communication channel thread.
All of this conveniently ignored by people trying to say I'm out to get Dakun.
Quote:but you know, I think Rheinland had that covered.
The fact that Dakun was breaking our laws wasn't the only factor in why we acted on this. It also served as a clear warning to Rheinland, to stay out of Omega-3 and its business. Rheinland can absolutely declare Dakun a criminal for doing that. But bringing ships into Omega-3 was unacceptable, and this was made very clear to them.
Quote:The two of you should've been communicating more instead of threatening Dakun from both sides
If you'd actually read my communications to Dane Summers, you'd notice that I have forbidden Rheinland from interfering in the matter. Rheinland and Bretonia are not ganging up on Dakun. Bretonia is taking legal action on Dakun while at the same time, telling Rheinland to get their nose our of our business, and keep it out. A post made directly to the BDM Director should've made this abundantly clear to those who actually read what was going on.
Quote:declaring a near-annexation of the space
We did nothing of the sort, and claiming we did is ludicrous. There is nothing to back up this claim.
Quote:forcing Bretonian control over administrator selection.
This is the part that is true. But as said above, it is mostly an in-RP measure, and not likely to be used often, if ever.
Quote:Cite Beth all you want
To the contrary, it is the Zoners who keep trying to quote the Bethlehem treaty. After having gone a year trying to say it is no longer valid. So be it, that means they can't use its terms legally. The Freeport 1 treaty, which is completely valid, is the only treaty that Bretonia has been using. Again, if you had read the iRP posts on this issue, you'd know this.
Quote:Once Dakun showed clear intent to cause a disturbance in Bretonian space, I can be all for the crack-down, but before then it seemed unnecessarily totalitarian
It was not until this happened, my character a direct witness to it, that we took any action against Dakun. Check the RP sections. You'll note Bretonia made no steps against Dakun until the in-game stuff happened. Until that point, our concern was Rheinland entering Omega-3 or trying to assert their authority there. Again, if you had read the RP posts related to this issue, you'd know this.
Quote:especially since he did quickly remove the BDs from the order, even after which he was continually hounded by your folks.
Blood Diamonds alone wasn't worth bothering with a political issue with the Zoners. It was when the other actions he took was added onto it that we finally did step in. Please read the RP thread I made on behalf of Bretonia that shows a full list of charges against him. While everyone here may be trying to make a big stink about Blood Diamonds and whether or not they are illegal (which they are, not because they are contraband, but because they are produced solely by the Red Hessians, so having them means you are supporting an enemy of Bretonia, directly or indirectly, depending if you bought them yourself), Blood Diamonds was not the reason an arrest warrant was issued for his character.
People looking for drama just find it convenient to ignore everything that doesn't help their ability to post Q_Q.
Again, if you had read the RP posts related to this issue, you'd know this.
' Wrote:Please get Blood Diamonds marked as contraband in Bretonia in the laws, for the benefit of people who don't read every thread on the forums and can't possibly know that they're considered illegal despite not being called illegal anywhere.
Unless, of course, you're *trying* to give your officers the ability to stick it to new people. That's totally okay too, just be honest about it.
There was a charter revision in the works by the Bretonian government before all this started, and it'll be updated soon (a copy of the current charter as it is will be put in a side topic, for the court case and whatnot, since the charges were filed before the new charter. Blood Diamonds are specifically listed as contraband on the new charter. But despite that, the "aiding enemies of Bretonia" clause does apply here, as Red Hessians are the sole producers of that commodity. Thus, to obtain them, you must be aiding them directly, by purchasing them, or indirectly, by purchasing them off a trader who bought them from the Hessians.
' Wrote:Dab, you claim to go by real life laws of UK. Yet you say you would hold purchase of Blood Diamonds in Bering as illegal act.
I can see how UK could consider some acts in Lithuania illegal by their own laws. Yeah. I can't see it.
Terrorists bombing a nation are generally considered terrorists by many other nations, even if those others are not being targeted. People supplying and aiding said terrorists are also considered criminals by many other nations. It's not abnormal at all. While we cannot say they were smuggling within our sovereignty, we can say they were aiding an enemy of Bretonia.
It's no different than if a trader took supplies to Corsair bases in Omega-5 and were seen doing so. They may not be in Bretonia sovereignty, they may not be carrying contraband, but they are aiding a direct enemy of Bretonia, and people caught doing that are not going to be allowed in Bretonia's territory.
' Wrote:As far as I know, I could claim I bought Blood Diamonds from some trader, not Hessians, thus not fueling their economy and so I couldn't be claimed to be guilty of it.
As I've already stated in this thread, and in the RP thread;
Even if you didn't buy the Blood Diamonds directly from the Red Hessians, you are still indirectly aiding the Red Hessians. Smugglers don't smuggle goods with no profit to them. People are buying Blood Diamonds. That money inevitably makes its way to the Red Hessians, as that smuggler will continue to buy their Blood Diamonds, because they are in demand. Take away the demand, and you cut off some of the Hessian's income.
I'll also show you a part of the Blood Diamond infocard that further solidifies my point;
Quote:Ideological allies and sympathizers of the Red Hessians have been quick to import Blood Diamonds as a show of support for the Hessians' cause
By owning a Blood Diamond, Bretonia considers you a supporter, or at least a sympathizer, to the Hessian cause. This is true of -all- the houses in Sirius.