Indie Nomad ID implementation

[Vrabcek]

[I personally dont like nomads anymore, but its not like im going to provoke a nomad swarm to come and attack me just because I dont like them.

[02.12.2012 18:05:15] MNS-Moon: red on scanner
[02.12.2012 18:05:32] MNS-Moon: Aha the wild
[02.12.2012 18:06:38] MNS-Moon: what brings you to Alpha
[02.12.2012 18:06:47] Wilde.Zweifel: What do you have to report, outcast.
[02.12.2012 18:07:02] Wilde.Zweifel: We can see that your progress has stopped.
[02.12.2012 18:07:31] Wilde.Zweifel: The surrounding systems are still in hands of those who dared to fight what they cannot.
[02.12.2012 18:07:55] Wilde.Zweifel: So tell me...
[02.12.2012 18:08:09] Claes.Leslie[75th]: oi.. what are you babbling about
[02.12.2012 18:08:10] Wilde.Seele.: "We had to teach them their destiny by ourselves."
[02.12.2012 18:08:13] Wilde.Zweifel: When shall we hear the good news from your ranks?...
[02.12.2012 18:08:15] MNS-Moon: yeah . well dont look at me *Smiel*
[02.12.2012 18:08:25] Claes.Leslie[75th]: when will you stop babbling
[02.12.2012 18:08:37] Wilde.Seele.: "But we do look at -you-"
[02.12.2012 18:08:38] Wilde.Zweifel: hmmm
[02.12.2012 18:08:38] Claes.Leslie[75th]: try starting now
[02.12.2012 18:09:20] MNS-Moon: can you give me the Nomads i make sure they go home
[02.12.2012 18:09:29] Claes.Leslie[75th]: dont really care for that attitude you seem to have brought here for no reason
[02.12.2012 18:09:50] Claes.Leslie[75th]: so maybe its you that should be explaining yourself
[02.12.2012 18:09:51] Wilde.Zweifel: We may put you out of your misery.
[02.12.2012 18:09:57] Wilde.Zweifel: if it is that what you desire...
[02.12.2012 18:10:01] Claes.Leslie[75th]: you can try amigo
[02.12.2012 18:10:05] Claes.Leslie[75th]: you will fail
[02.12.2012 18:10:13] Claes.Leslie[75th]: so stop with the mouth
[02.12.2012 18:10:22] Claes.Leslie[75th]: you run nothing here.


It more looked like that while the Wilds were playing their role, you actually were hostile from the start.
So dont tell me about not provocating someone to shoot you.

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[Timbuktu]

So it looks like most of the people who are against the indy nomad idea are against it because they dont want them outside the omicrons.

Can those who want them outside the omicrons too tell us exactly what systems (other than omcirons) they want them to be in, and for what reason? I mean... the K'Hara can still go to those systems, even if the indies are restricted to the omicrons.

As I already said, I see any nomads (inluding K'Hara) inside or even near house space somewhat contadictory to the storyline at its pesent state. If they were there, a large part of the citizens would become VERY aware of the nomad threat, and the inter-house wars would have to stop. If the K'Hara say they absolutely want to be in house space too (I dont know the reason why though) I accept it, but I think the indy nomads (inside the omicrons) shouldnt be turned down simply because someone thinks they should also be seen outside the omicrons.

I also think the poll should differentiate between the 2 possible ZOIs for indy nomads and make them clear. A lot of people will vote no because they are afraid they will be blown up in trade lanes, although that wont happen.

[Pavel]

After reconsideration I'm still sceptical about it, but ok, let's try this out, we'll see.

[kikatsu]

For the

Cannot enter House space, Cortez, Magellan, Bering, Hudson, Sigma-13, Omega-3, Omega-7, Tau-31 and Tau-29 except if flying along with a K'Hara| Official Faction ship.

You might be able to clean it up by saying something like "May not enter a system with a trade lane." Not sure if that gets any weird anomalies in there in terms of ZoI but it should cover what you need to do.

[Hidamari]

oh good you have the log, so i dont have to go and get it.

lets point out where you went wrong in your interaction.

[I personally dont like nomads anymore, but its not like im going to provoke a nomad swarm to come and attack me just because I dont like them.

[02.12.2012 18:05:15] MNS-Moon: red on scanner
[02.12.2012 18:05:32] MNS-Moon: Aha the wild
[02.12.2012 18:06:38] MNS-Moon: what brings you to Alpha
[02.12.2012 18:06:47] Wilde.Zweifel: What do you have to report, outcast.
[02.12.2012 18:07:02] Wilde.Zweifel: We can see that your progress has stopped.
[02.12.2012 18:07:31] Wilde.Zweifel: The surrounding systems are still in hands of those who dared to fight what they cannot.
[02.12.2012 18:07:55] Wilde.Zweifel: So tell me...
[02.12.2012 18:08:09] Claes.Leslie[75th]: oi.. what are you babbling about
[02.12.2012 18:08:10] Wilde.Seele.: "We had to teach them their destiny by ourselves."
[02.12.2012 18:08:13] Wilde.Zweifel: When shall we hear the good news from your ranks?...
[02.12.2012 18:08:15] MNS-Moon: yeah . well dont look at me *Smiel*
[02.12.2012 18:08:25] Claes.Leslie[75th]: when will you stop babbling
[02.12.2012 18:08:37] Wilde.Seele.: "But we do look at -you-"
[02.12.2012 18:08:38] Wilde.Zweifel: hmmm
[02.12.2012 18:08:38] Claes.Leslie[75th]: try starting now
[02.12.2012 18:09:20] MNS-Moon: can you give me the Nomads i make sure they go home
[02.12.2012 18:09:29]Claes.Leslie[75th]: dont really care for that attitude you seem to have brought here for no reason
[02.12.2012 18:09:50] Claes.Leslie[75th]: so maybe its you that should be explaining yourself
[02.12.2012 18:09:51] Wilde.Zweifel: We may put you out of your misery.
[02.12.2012 18:09:57] Wilde.Zweifel: if it is that what you desire...
[02.12.2012 18:10:01] Claes.Leslie[75th]: you can try amigo
[02.12.2012 18:10:05] Claes.Leslie[75th]: you will fail
[02.12.2012 18:10:13] Claes.Leslie[75th]: so stop with the mouth
[02.12.2012 18:10:22] Claes.Leslie[75th]: you run nothing here.


It more looked like that while the Wilds were playing their role, you actually were hostile from the start.
So dont tell me about not provocating someone to shoot you.

thats right, from the very first sentence you typed is where you went wrong, you control nothing in malta, we do not report to you, at most to my understanding we 'worship' (if thats even the right words) the Nomads themselves, not the humans that got anally raped by them.

you started bombarding MNS-Moon with bullcrap, so claes asked what you were on about. and until you explain what you were on about nothing could be done. but of course, you as a nomad on the high horse decided that somebody wasnt explaining themselves to you and that gives you an excuse to shoot?

Im glad you died shortly afterwards tbh because that was the most whack wilde encounter i think ive ever seen.

and if you actually read you can see that Claes only became hostile verbally after you continued your pointless word barrage. as anyone would, its like Gateway going up to a load of LN indies and chatting the most amount of tosh anyone ever saw like they run things here and pay your wages.

also, you came to me, not the other way around and everything Claes said to you was justified under the rabble you were spewing out. I can just imagine 75th going to Iota, to some nomads sitting infront of Dur'shuriken and demanding that more nomads be around, because they arent doing enough, wait did they just tell me to leave? right engaging.

what would happen, please tell me?

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[Vrabcek]

anally rape

bullcrap

whack encounter

rabble spewing out

First of all how shall I treat your responsonse as constructive when you are using such expressions?...

also, you came to me, not the other way around

I can't remember going to Omicron Alpha to meet the 75th (it was also the first time I have met you). We tried to roleplay with the people who were roleplaying with us.
You simply cannot explain your behavior you have showed out there by blaming me.

You have proven exactly the point that your personal taste is getting in the way how you roleplay your character, what is a shame considering you are playing here for already some years.

I personally dont like nomads anymore, but its not like im going to provoke a nomad swarm to come and attack me just because I dont like them.

You have provocated the nomads, the only response on that was the action what was taken. I could of course just ignore you and keep roleplaying with the other guy, but how could I have excused that move to myself?...

I am sorry that the wild roleplay is making a bad impression to you. But I cant let my roleplay down just because it gets you the impression that I ooRPly think Im better than you. Of course I am not. I believe you can make wonderful roleplay with your characters, but I cannot let my wild behave like a "human", but have to spice it with arrogance and all other things what is just making iRP the people think that they are superior...


You are exactly the example what could happen if nomads will get independent. The nomads are not an independent race and some people could just get their personal revenge on other factions and groups just because of out of roleplay reasons instead of following the faction roleplay.

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[Timbuktu]

You have proven exactly the point that your personal taste is getting in the way how you roleplay your character, what is a shame considering you are playing here for already some years.
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You have provocated the nomads, the only response on that was the action what was taken. I could of course just ignore you and keep roleplaying with the other guy, but how could I have excused that move to myself?...
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You are exactly the example what could happen if nomads will get independent. The nomads are not an independent race and some people could just get their personal revenge on other factions and groups just because of out of roleplay reasons instead of following the faction roleplay.

Uhm... could the 2 of you maybe settle your disputes outside of this discussion about indy nomads, since this event has absolutely nothing to do with it?

If anything, this is an example why there needs to be the line "cant attack nomads, wilde, and outcasts' in the ID. Vrabcek, its very obvious you went there with an "I am in the superior faction, you must submit to me"-attitude with the intent of self-agrandisement (following YOUR personal taste), which makes me laugh so often around this community. Another reason why there should be independents in all factions, so people get off their "I am the superior player" attitude, which is really laughable if you think about it. Its a frikkin computer game, yeah? And no, Outcasts dont have to follow orders of wilde or nomads, and are not their tools. Some can be that if they want, but not all have to do it. So please talk about indy nomads, and dont project your experiences of past encounters into theoretical future encounters which have nothing to do with indy nomads.

[Hidamari]

Uhm... could the 2 of you maybe settle your disputes outside of this discussion about indy nomads, since this event has absolutely nothing to do with it?

Sorry about that, just glad you can see where im coming from though. lol

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[Knjaz]

Hire escorts, scouts.

Just my 2 cents.

IMHO:
"Hire escorts" is a widely used answer, but in reality it never worked that well even in Dublin Goldrush times, when you often had mercs going in and out of the system.

With the current server population levels, and spread out playerbase (after the Dublin goldrush, a.k.a. Dublin Activity Hub was killed), "Hire Escorts" should never be used as a valid factor/suggestion in a balance discussion regarding mining and trading.

[Hidamari]

Hire escorts, scouts.

Just my 2 cents.

IMHO:
"Hire escorts" is a widely used answer, but in reality it never worked that well even in Dublin Goldrush times, when you often had mercs going in and out of the system.

With the current server population levels, and spread out playerbase (after the Dublin goldrush, a.k.a. Dublin Activity Hub was killed), "Hire Escorts" should never be used as a valid factor in a balance discussion regarding mining and trading.

and with cloaking devices hiring scouts is useless too.

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