(07-08-2023, 08:10 PM)Toaster Wrote: The faction name and this specific logo/banner come together to create a rather unfortunate and questionable first impression. From a historical perspective. One might look into changing one or the other.
Provide examples where there is some historical radical organization that shares the same name and/or a similar banner, can't think of any that remotely looks similar. Rather this seems (unoriginally) inspired from stuff like Deus Ex in both name and background.
(07-08-2023, 09:34 PM)Darius Wrote: What he refers to is the fact that the name utilized by this group is in many ways similar to that used by neo-nazis, supremacist or otherwise far-right organizations in an attempt to both appeal to a conservative or radical audience and to put up a "front cover" of sorts, if you can call it that, that the group stands for racial or distinctly extremist values.
In addition to this fact, the presence of the Spartan helmet is also similar to iconography used by far-right groups with the same intent mentioned above: of bringing a sense of traditionalism in an otherwise xenophobic environment (aka to make your average Joe attracted to the group via the similarities it has). Besides this, there is also the fact that such iconography used in this specific setting is in many ways similar to the use of the swastika or Norse runes in banners/flags/what-have-you by extremist groups, with yours bring no exception, save for the last part (I most certainly hope).
If there's one solid bit of advice I can give in the most serious of manners, that's this: please change the name and logo immediately.
There's only one far right party/organization I know that uses a spartan helmet as logo and it's nowhere near similar to the one these guys use to be honest, there may be more I'm not aware of however. And the name comes out as it's from a cultist radical faction more than specifically focused on racism, specially if you consider the context that is Discovery Freelancer and the faction background, I think y'all just making a fuss out of it.
(07-08-2023, 07:25 PM)Kauket Wrote: Why Pirate ID and not Order ID or even Coalition ID?
Part of that is to reflect the cell-like structure of the organization, as well as accepting the restrictions of the Pirate ID in exchange for not having any ZOI restrictions aside from attacking combat ships only outside of House Space.
In terms of roleplay, we feel that the Coalition would not fit thematically, and restrict membership only to characters from that area.
The Pirate ID allows a certain level of freedom, which we felt would be fitting. Edit: To add we intend to have these different cells actually be represented in roleplay, serving the same goal but in very different ways, as well as style of behavior and communication.
I think you didn't think this through enough. as a former Pirate ID enjoyer I can assure you that Pirate ID is absolute trash because the staff has put a consistent effort since last year to keep nerfing it constantly, to such point that you are not allowed to make non-monetary demands and you're also very restricted about cargo demands. That means, if you for example, demand someone to leave a system and then shoot them for refusing to comply, don't be surprised your name appears in a sanction thread next week, and that sort of stuff.
I think Order ID and Coalition ID gives you much more freedom to engage your targets (which I assume will be Auxesia first and foremost, and nomads, outcasts and robots secondary) and neither Order nor Coalition have ZoI limitations unless you wanna go out in capitals. The problem may be that you will have to attach the faction itself to the Order or Coalition, like it or not.
Another solution for you to keep the faction fully independent could be trying out with Freelancer ID and registering in some official unlawful bounty boards that allow you to shoot the people you hate, DTR for example last time I checked has a decent board that lists most of your enemies as targets. You work your relations with the powers-that-be, get funding or sponsors, get recognition in the unlawful world and then try to push for an official ID if you can be bothered with that.
(07-08-2023, 11:41 PM)Sally Wrote: Provide examples where there is some historical radical organization that shares the same name and/or a similar banner, can't think of any that remotely looks similar.
Thanks for the input.
That would be for the black ring on the logo I guess, "Arbeitsfront" or "front" in general isn't something exclusively used by far-right orgs however, there's the Workers United Front, for example.
Humanity Protection Front
Or
Humanity Preservation Front
Might be more fitting names that keep same tag and seem more straightforward without triggering people - don't see it as being forced to change your identity, but as an opportunity - e.g. when I started 1st the old name triggered some people so we renamed to the First Armada, and now it's the coolest most active Liberty Lawful faction without any contest with a distinct name people came to love that's part of its identity.
When I read "purity front" I wasn't triggered like others, but it didn't strike me as the faction being what your info says - Preservation or protection seem more fitting , will make propaganda etc. Where you hate cyborgization etc. Show you as the "good guys" you can then attach borderline irrational methods to.
i will never get over people being upset over overtly biased/racist organizations in a setting roleplayed as full of slavery, murder, and racism
never not funny
That's very true hah, a lot of sensitive people in the modern world would find a lot of Vanilla and Disco content way over the line - slave trade being Exhibit A. But as I said - the word purity didn't strike me as aligning with faction purpose at first here anyways all outrage aside.
The Coalition ships have a red star on them which is the symbol of the Air Force of one infamous country committing war crimes right now, and nobody bets an eye. Some tiny unof faction makes a logo that vague resembles an obscure not prohibited political faction that many people haven't even heard of and everyone is losing their marbles. C is for consistency
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