' Wrote:Even now, the BHG has the possibility of being global police inRP. There is a bounty on...Pretty much everything everywhere. For some reason, though, you don't see it. It's because you need to actually claim bounties. It's too much work to be lazy this way. If it weren't PvP abuse to not claim bounties, then I guarantee you'd see Orcas and Bottlenoses roaming the Sirius saying "I protect trade throughout the colonies!" and shooting everything because they think they can. Quite frankly, this is not bounty hunting, since you are claiming no bounties, and it is not the role of Bounty Hunter or Mercenary.
And I still fail to see that "global police" thing if they still gets sanctioned for firing on unbountied tragets. Thing is, you shoot targets which are bountied on forums you just don't post the kill in that thread. That's all about it. No global red is dead thing. And this eliminates your argument.
' Wrote:And please note, I said Hammerhead. It's something of a well-kept secret. If you like ridiculously fast ships which can mount 4.00 Particles which have the same speed as Debs, then you'll like the Hammerhead. The Sabre is something of a gimmick ship. Flavor of the month, if you would, only of the mod version. Not everyone likes slow-firing shotgun ships. If more people tried the Hammerhead (or Manta for that matter), I think they'd like it better than a Sabre with 4 Heimdalls and 3 Debs. It's just not popular to fly anything other than a shotgun or code Sabre.
With mercinary freelancer you can get your hands on this technology with some work. As well as having total freedom to claim any other as you like.
And I'm a bit tired of you trying to deny something obviuos, like if someone wants to play bounty hunter he always chooses merc id or merc company instead of BH as it should be. Why? becouse BH's as lore faction seem have lost all it's long standing contracts and reputation.
It's pretty much same scenario like it was with rheinland unlawful factions. Why to pick Bundschuh and fly around with inferior tech and smaller zoi then I can pick Red Hessian and do all the same stuff Bundschuh could as well as having wider zoi in omegas and better selection of equipment?
This is not about nerfing merc id. It's about giving a right to claim all lawful bountiesf or BHG ID characters without any prior registration, rep stuff and so. WHY? BH are already lawful. Why the hell someone is asking proofs of it?
Half of your argument has been in effect for months. Any board which allows BHG to collect does not require registration by BHG ID players. It's simply implied unless explicitly stated to the contrary. So I dunno what the fuss is there.
The nature of the current bounty board is the result of many years of observation. A server where persons who can hunt anywhere in Sirius, Mercs and FL alike, stepping over ZOI boundaries that restrict others best do so at the request/permission of other groups. You're essentially being paid by that group to serve as a proxy representation of their faction.
All that's asked of the hunter is that they fulfill the least of their obligations in the form of collecting the bounty for which they are signed up. While I would like to say that this restricts "eternal bounties" it's really more of a stopgap on the hunter's end. A tradeoff for the immense freedoms provided.
We've had a server where no one needed to collect bounties. We have a server where you need to collect bounties. Generally the current situation is deemed superior by everyone save those persons who wish to kill in the name of a bounty they never intend to collect upon.
Half of your argument has been in effect for months. Any board which allows BHG to collect does not require registration by BHG ID players. It's simply implied unless explicitly stated to the contrary. So I dunno what the fuss is there.
-Daumann bounty board (lawful) requires registration of indi BHG ID characters (contract details)
-Ageira bounty board (lawful) requires registration of indi BHG ID chracters (contract details)
-Liberty bounty board (lawful) requires registration of indi BHG ID chracters (contract details)
-Bretonia bounty board (lawful) requires registration of indi BHG ID chracters. (contract details)
.. and there is plenty more. You gave discretionary right to ask for registration if they want. And it's used mainly everywhere.
How does that differ from indi mercinary who must register just the same as bhg id char? What advantage BH player who is rectricted from the start gains in this scenario compared to merc id pilot who is free to pick jobs and take sides as he wants (wider course of action can be taken, similiar to wider zoi)
' Wrote:The nature of the current bounty board is the result of many years of observation. A server where persons who can hunt anywhere in Sirius, Mercs and FL alike, stepping over ZOI boundaries that restrict others best do so at the request/permission of other groups. You're essentially being paid by that group to serve as a proxy representation of their faction
All that's asked of the hunter is that they fulfill the least of their obligations in the form of collecting the bounty for which they are signed up. While I would like to say that this restricts "eternal bounties" it's really more of a stopgap on the hunter's end. A tradeoff for the immense freedoms provided.
We've had a server where no one needed to collect bounties. We have a server where you need to collect bounties. Generally the current situation is deemed superior by everyone save those persons who wish to kill in the name of a bounty they never intend to collect upon.
-Dusty
I know, remember the old times. BH bugged gunships and capital warships .. attacking everyone with or without bounty placed. In my decribed scenario the bounty on the target exist as mandatory thing. But now warships of BH are restricted to certain systems. And there is no blanket bounties on outcasts in alpha and on corsairs in gamma or their homeworlds by lawful authorities.
For those who still think "BH are okey" ... please try to remember the last time you've been engaged by BH id'ed character (Core doesn't count). And then was the last time then you were engaged by merc id'ed pilot?
In short, generic mercinaries are pushing out entire npc faction whith it's lore and everything.
' Wrote:-Daumann bounty board (lawful) requires registration of indi BHG ID characters (contract details)
-Ageira bounty board (lawful) requires registration of indi BHG ID chracters (contract details)
-Liberty bounty board (lawful) requires registration of indi BHG ID chracters (contract details)
-Bretonia bounty board (lawful) requires registration of indi BHG ID chracters. (contract details)
.. and there is plenty more. You gave discretionary right to ask for registration if they want. And it's used mainly everywhere.
How does that differ from indi mercinary who must register just the same as bhg id char? What advantage BH player who is rectricted from the start gains in this scenario compared to merc id pilot who is free to pick jobs and take sides as he wants (wider course of action can be taken, similiar to wider zoi)
Like I said. It's up to them. If you have a complaint level it at the faction. They have the right to decide if they want to give you work and how they'll give it.
' Wrote:I know, remember the old times. BH bugged gunships and capital warships .. attacking everyone with or without bounty placed. In my decribed scenario the bounty on the target exist as mandatory thing. But now warships of BH are restricted to certain systems. And there is no blanket bounties on outcasts in alpha and on corsairs in gamma or their homeworlds by lawful authorities.
For those who still think "BH are okey" ... please try to remember the last time you've been engaged by BH id'ed character (Core doesn't count). And then was the last time then you were engaged by merc id'ed pilot?
In short, generic mercinaries are pushing out entire npc faction whith it's lore and everything.
The Core| requested an ID which allows them to hunt without bounties within the Omicrons and Omegas. I imagine that'll resolve your issues there.
As to the idea that Mercs are preferable over BHG? You don't even want to collect the bounties you're killing in the name of, BHG hunts unlawfuls. Unlawfuls are bountied in every house. So login your BHG and get to shooting things.
' Wrote:-Daumann bounty board (lawful) requires registration of indi BHG ID characters (contract details)
-Ageira bounty board (lawful) requires registration of indi BHG ID chracters (contract details)
-Liberty bounty board (lawful) requires registration of indi BHG ID chracters (contract details)
-Bretonia bounty board (lawful) requires registration of indi BHG ID chracters. (contract details)
.. and there is plenty more. You gave discretionary right to ask for registration if they want. And it's used mainly everywhere.
I think you're missing something here. The official faction - the BHG| - has a seperate and specific contract over and above the regular bounty boards that has other terms. We've either been paid a large sum of monies, or been granted permission for ships, or a combination of both - and as a part of those specific contracts we're simply fulfilling them when we shoot pirates in those sectors.
While there may be an additional bounty to collect, in effect we've already been paid to kill some of these pirates once.
Now, on the general bounty boards, if - and that exclusion may be the word that your argument is hinging upon - the poster of the bounty says that any BHG ID'd can collect it, then all BHG ships are eligible for it and don't need to register. That means that we in the official faction can collect that bounty, as can anyone with the BHG ID. However - the bounty poster MAY restrict that bounty to official faction only ships, which have the BHG| tag. (That's why we have some contracts out there, and is part of the privilege of being in the official faction - there are some people we can pew that others can't.)
Realize also that in the event of a combat kill that's under an existing contract where we as the official faction have already been paid, all we need to do is notify the bounty poster somewhere that we made the kill, either in our message dump or preferrably in the actual contract posting. The pilot may not even be aware of an additional bounty being posted upon his target - it takes a LOT of paperwork to play a bounty hunter. I know Felix used to have a small spiral notebook that he used - I use Excel to keep a spreadsheet.
(11-21-2013, 12:53 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.
I think its fine how it is now. You want better equipment? Join the Bounty hunters. You want to become
a self made? Be a merc. That way you have to RP with factions if you want their weapons.
Quote:For those who still think "BH are okey" ... please try to remember the last time you've been engaged by BH id'ed character (Core doesn't count). And then was the last time then you were engaged by merc id'ed pilot?
Um... i do that if someone pays the price. Problem is they don't trust mercs cuz of their restricted loadout.
And lawfuls don't want mercs among them. The merc might get the blue message. So no you. Correct me if i'm wrong here, cuz i can speak only for myself.:cool:
' Wrote:Soon after blue messege you recieve // Q_Q in pm what a bad roleplayer and person you are. Now how you are reacting to this is your own buisness.
I find it unfair if I sit somewhere, chatting with people, there is some hunter nearby, nothing bad. Then... Second 1, some engagement notice hidden inside my roleplay, shield dropping, powering up engines and evading, then reading, thinking "WTH!!!" and then fighting (and starting in a ridiculous position).
Fact is from my point of view: Hunters are good pvpers. Or they would not play that role, if they want to be a successful hunter.
If you are good, you can give me a chance to react before you try to instant-kill me while having a chat.
Your "business" is not a higher value than my fun in gaming. So play fair. And I will QQ again if that is done to me. Because people that don't give me a chance to roleplay but force me into an unfair situation by an exploit of game mechanics and thus disrupt the play going on, are something I don't like much.
There are 2 pinned thread in Bounty Board section. Each answer one of your questions:
' Wrote:Lets assume that after killing a target, character never ever posts a a confirmed kill on bounty board. Is that okey? For a hunter to hunt stuff and just shoot for the sake of shooting and avoiding all that boring paperwork if character doesn't want? Or it's some kind of abuse? If abuse, then how?
' Wrote:2. Players are required to claim for kills made under a bounty contract within a reasonable period of time.
And,
' Wrote:Question no 2: what's the point behind "Register on bounty boards" for BH NPC faction? Shouldn't they be trusted by lawfuls by canon of discovery? Shouldn't they have long lasting contracts? This register stuff actually makes BH npc faction less attractive and all sorts of codie sabre flying companies to win over npc BH faction.
' Wrote:In short: If a bounty states BHG can claim, all you need is the ID. Proof of ID may still be demanded, so be sure you've got that one included in there somewhere.
If a bounty poster wishes to restrict the bounty to specific parties (Say the BHG|) they will need to state as much.
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And on an unrelated note:
' Wrote:play fair.
Says the one who attacks a single HF with 3 VHFs... Oh the irony!
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