It is going to be rather difficult to make a proper Exile faction when the character that by lore leads the group is owned by another player. In effect, in doing so, it is impossible for anyone to create an Exile faction without Zelot's approval and allowing him to have leadership abilities in it.
This is because if Zelot starts role playing that character again, by lore the Exile faction has to listen to him. The development team has essetially created a faction specifically for Zelot. Claiming otherwise is merely a bid to hide that fact. Of course this could be a mere development over sight like how the development team didn't think people would use jump drives to group jump transports.
Anyways, since the Exile's only role is to krieg GRN with the BAF - and seeing as the GRN are having activity issues themselves - this faction has little to do other than police Leeds/lower Taus and I'm not sure that is really their role.
And no Zelot, I'm not flaming nor trolling you. I'm merely stating who it looks regarding the fact you own the character that leads this faction. No other player in this community owns the character that in lore runs any NPC faction.
I think the concept of the Exiles is rather interesting, I think the development team's implentation of them was very poorly executed.
' Wrote:It is going to be rather difficult to make a proper Exile faction when the character that by lore leads the group is owned by another player. In effect, in doing so, it is impossible for anyone to create an Exile faction without Zelot's approval and allowing him to have leadership abilities in it.
This is because if Zelot starts role playing that character again, by lore the Exile faction has to listen to him. The development team has essetially created a faction specifically for Zelot. Claiming otherwise is merely a bid to hide that fact. Of course this could be a mere development over sight like how the development team didn't think people would use jump drives to group jump transports.
Anyways, since the Exile's only role is to krieg GRN with the BAF - and seeing as the GRN are having activity issues themselves - this faction has little to do other than police Leeds/lower Taus and I'm not sure that is really their role.
And no Zelot, I'm not flaming nor trolling you. I'm merely stating who it looks regarding the fact you own the character that leads this faction. No other player in this community owns the character that in lore runs any NPC faction.
I think the concept of the Exiles is rather interesting, I think the development team's implentation of them was very poorly executed.
Always seeing shadows and thinking they are spectors are we? You have made a couple of big assumptions there havent you? The first would be that you cant have an exiles faction without someone roleplaying Jien Kogen. You can, Powell in Liberty, The Queen in Bretonia to name a couple. Second you assume I would push the character, or myself on some new faction. This is also not the first time a members character has been used in this way in game lore. If you remember during 485 development Igiss put up a post asking for the names of the characters who were leading the factions in rp so they could be implemented into the lore.
Anyway, if what you want is a discussion of the development of the NPC faction, and my role or ownership of the faction, a new thread would be better, dont you think? Why clog up this groups thead with this muck?
' Wrote:Always seeing shadows and thinking they are spectors are we? You have made a couple of big assumptions there havent you? The first would be that you cant have an exiles faction without someone roleplaying Jien Kogen. You can, Powell in Liberty, The Queen in Bretonia to name a couple. Second you assume I would push the character, or myself on some new faction. This is also not the first time a members character has been used in this way in game lore. If you remember during 485 development Igiss put up a post asking for the names of the characters who were leading the factions in rp so they could be implemented into the lore.
Anyway, if what you want is a discussion of the development of the NPC faction, and my role or ownership of the faction, a new thread would be better, dont you think? Why clog up this groups thead with this muck?
Yes, I did make assumptions. They were made in order to either have them proven correct or cleared in the open for the community to view. Powell and the Queen are not the same as Kogen. You know there are stark differences in those two and Kogen. The Exiles are loyal to Kogen and that is why they are Exiled with him. Powell is an elected rep and the Queen rules all of Bretonia, not one faction. Your analogy fails.
I do remember and yes this is the first time a player character has been used in this manner. Name one other player character that has had an entire NPC faction built to serve it. One character that existed before the NPC faction did.
I'm certain any thread created debating the topic would be locked, as proven by the fact that Dab locked Joey's thread today. Not to mention it would likely be viewed as trolling you if I made it. I say this because other members have made similar points in the past, in your Ronin official request thread in fact, and got a nice warning or temp ban for it.
Do explain how a Exile player faction can exist without the leadership of Kogen, whom they are all loyal to and the entire reason they are in exile. Do tell what happens when you decide to start playing Kogen again. You just going to sit back and let them do what they want? Or request to be the figure head? Wouldn't really be able to role play Kogen unless you were the leader or figure head of the Exiles. That is unless you're willing to separate Kogen from the Exiles in lore somehow.
This issue directly affects this player faction, so I think it is a perfectly valid place to discuss it. If you wish for it to be in another thread, create one for that purpose.
' Wrote:Exiles are not there because GRN is not there- here what- combine Exiles and GRN as ally and you would get 1 faction from 2 half factions.
Apart from the fact that the very point of the Exiles is for them to fight GRN. They've not exactly got as much in common as the LWB and Unioners for example.
I actually kind of like the exiles but the little fella in my head keeps saying the server already got too many NPC factions for the number of players that it can support and HEY LETS MAKE ANOTHER ONE is the absolute wrong direction. Killing the emperor would have been the way to go, Kusari could have still become a republic, you wouldnt have to explain KUSARI FLEETS IN LEEDS, and player activity would not have become even more diluted.
The only way I would roleplay Kogen in the situation that there was an official faction I was not involved in is they requested I do it. As I already said, I would not force myself or the character of Kogen on them. The faction could work just as well as Bretonia or Liberty without the character of the leader being played. The rest of your post is more twirling at windmills, so I will leave it except to say that your concerns are unwarrented and unfounded. With that I will stop responding to your posts in this thread deidric, because it is not the place for it, nor is it fair to this group.
I'm sure you'd like to claim they are unwarranted and unfouded, but the fact that you were very specific in telling them you own Kogen makes them warranted. Just because you don't like that I brought up this issue doesn't make them unwarranted. Don't want to discuss the issue? Perhaps because you know that what I've said is true and have nothing to stand on so you're just sticking your head in the sand and screaming yalalalalalal.
Same thing you did when Dusty said your Ronin faction would die because you led it, your reply was that you set it up to run on its own without you. That worked out well.
As I've said, your ownership of the character that leads this faction directly affects this group of players and as such this is indeed the place for such discussion. I'm sure they'd like to know what would happen should they start this group and you get a wild hair to create another Exile group. Do they automatically become the lower caste because you have Kogen?
Looks to me this is a combonation of a faction concept and feedback. I'm giving input and discussion regarding the player faction. Take your white knight routine elsewhere, snak, it is rather tiresome and everyone in the community sees through it. You've been told by the admins that third parties are allowed in feedback threads also, so kindly shove off on tryin to tell me what to do. When Atlantis tells me to shove off or a mod/admin do, I'll gladly silence myself and I'm sure Atlantis will tell me to shove off if he wants me gone.
I'm not trying to flame or troll Zelot, I'd be asking the same questions if it was another community member that owned a NPC faction's leader. Currently, he just so happens to be the only member who owns the leader of a NPC faction. The rest of the leaders are shared characters passed from one player leader to the next.
What happens to these guys when in say six months, Zelot decides he wants his own Exile faction? They're both unofficial, but these guys have been around longer. Yet, Zelot wields the in role play/lore leader of the faction. Will this group of players become the lower caste merely because of that fact?
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