Is it possibru?

[Switchback]

Is it even that possibru if the entire Liberty Navy users (indie, unofficial, official) going up against GRN's fleet that the output/result would be Liberty's defeat?

What about Houses vs Gallia, would gallia's fleet still be larger and win?

Note: This is lore numbers (If I remember correctly)

Gallia has Hundreds of Battleships. Liberty has ~20-30 (I think). Rheinland has somewhere around a dozen, and thats including the ships that have broken engines. Kusari and Bretonia are exausted from their war (I don't know the specific numbers) but its not many.

In a straight up fight, not counting the logistical problems that Gallia has, Gallia would win.

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[Trollwut]

It would depend entirely on where the war was fought. Gallia already has significantly more vulnerable supply lines (and a need for bringing fuel), even if they might be better in a fight.

Really? How so?

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Is it even that possibru if the entire Liberty Navy users (indie, unofficial, official) going up against GRN's fleet that the output/result would be Liberty's defeat?

What about Houses vs Gallia, would gallia's fleet still be larger and win?

Note: This is lore numbers (If I remember correctly)

Gallia has Hundreds of Battleships. Liberty has ~20-30 (I think). Rheinland has somewhere around a dozen, and thats including the ships that have broken engines. Kusari and Bretonia are exausted from their war (I don't know the specific numbers) but its not many.

In a straight up fight, not counting the logistical problems that Gallia has, Gallia would win.

Well Switchback, I agree with that whole lore thing....but the server will always require RP and events to ACTUALLY allow a seen win for Gallia, cuz the future lore and such LN vs GRN stuff has to be a proper event....and well, to sum it up I'd guess and have to say that LN would win since with all their amount of actual members and ships.

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[Thunderer]

I am afraid Switchback remembers wrong. The numbers are quite different. So:

- Gallia has about 500 battleships, 150 of which are in Sirius (and some are already destroyed) and 350 are left to guard their vast space.

- Bretonia has about 30 battleships, but some of those are destroyed. However, the Exiles have 3, so that's at least something.

- Kusari was stronger than Bretonia before, but their forces are now shrunken to capitulation. Probably 20-50 battleships total.

- Rheinland is a bit stronger than Kusari and Bretonia by numbers, but has many old ships. Probably around 40-60 battleships total.

Liberty is twice stronger than Rheinland by numbers and also has cutting-edge technology. Probably arround 80-120 battleships.

Against Gallia (150 attacking): Bretonia (30, defending), The Exiles (3, defending), Liberty (some, reinforcing Bretonia. In the future, the war with Rheinland will end, so they'll be able to send more forces), Colonial (few, defending), Outcast (few, guerilla warfare), Council (few, guerilla warfare).
So that's 150 (with poor supply lines, because they've spread quickly, the way between their home and the front is too long) against 30 + 3 + 100 (in the future) + 4(?) + 4(?) + 6(?) = 147
The number of BSs might be a little smaller, but the snubs aren't counted in because of their huge numbers. However, Gallia is a bit weak with snubs, which are Bretonian stronger side, as well as of the guerillas.

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[farmerman]

It would depend entirely on where the war was fought. Gallia already has significantly more vulnerable supply lines (and a need for bringing fuel), even if they might be better in a fight.

Really? How so?

If it were near, say, Liberty, Gallia would be at a supreme disadvantage. Liberty would be able to very easily keep their frontline ships supplied while Gallia would have to ship supplies from, at best, the Taus. Even with much bigger numbers, if Liberty played their cards right they could wear them down.

Either way, Liberty has a huge advantage in fuel. Promethene would need to be brought from Gallia whereas H-Fuel operations are much more common and known to be able to be made from run of the mill gas giants.

Of course, if Gallia were to ally with Kusari in the process, it could significantly change possibilities.

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[Sarawr!?]

Note: This is lore numbers (If I remember correctly)

Gallia has Hundreds of Battleships. Liberty has ~20-30 (I think). Rheinland has somewhere around a dozen, and thats including the ships that have broken engines. Kusari and Bretonia are exausted from their war (I don't know the specific numbers) but its not many.

In a straight up fight, not counting the logistical problems that Gallia has, Gallia would win.

Liberty has at least 100 Dreadnoughts (It's somewhere between 100-150 iirc), And somewhere around 50 Carriers, if I recall.

While yes, Gallia has many many Battleships, they've been forced to keep most of them within Gallia due to their need to combat their internal enemies. They have between 100-200 deployed in Sirius, if memory serves.

Rheinland has around 50 Battleships and Bretonia has around 30, if memory serves.

But, Battleships won't be the only deciding factor in the war.

Ktayn brought up the matter of Supplies and Supply lines, and made some good points there.

Additionally though, you've gotta think about how many snubcraft each House is said to possess, even the Bretonians have upwards of 30,000 fighters and bombers remaining after their combined wars, if I remember right.

Then you also have to take into account the numbers of ships like Cruisers and Gunboats that the Libertonians and Bretonians possess, while the Bretonians are of course weakened...the Libertonians aren't really, as they haven't taken severe losses inRP, during their war with Rheinland.


All in all, sure, the Gallics -could- gain a military 'victory' in Sirius, but the only way that would really make sense inRP, would be if there were -severe- losses inflicted on all sides.

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[lw'nafh]

I think we're also forgetting that the further they push, the more hardware and manpower they'd need to dedicate to keeping partisans and resistance down.

PS: Anyone who thinks 'partisan' is me talking about the Coalition is derp.

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[Mímir]

Somewhat pointless discussion though. History has shown us again and again that it is not always the strongest army that wins the battle (the failed Soviet invasion of Afghanistan for instance). It is, among other things, also very much about where you fight the battle. That notion is even included in the FL universe (80 year war).

So yes, it's possible that Liberty could beat Gallia, that the Outcasts could, that Bretonia could and so on.

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[stardust47]

Somewhat pointless discussion though. History has shown us again and again that it is not always the strongest army that wins the battle (the failed Soviet invasion of Afghanistan for instance). It is, among other things, also very much about where you fight the battle. That notion is even included in the FL universe (80 year war).

So yes, it's possible that Liberty could beat Gallia, that the Outcasts could, that Bretonia could and so on.

That's pretty much what I think at the moment.

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[Omicron]

Bretonia without Liberty support would most likely loose half of their systems. However considering supply lines, inexperience of Gallics (I do not think they ever fought any kind of war they do now in their history) and Liberty's ability to pull many of its forces (and still untouched reserves) into Bret & Tau's, I am quite sure trapping them in Sirius/force them all back/total anihilation is feasible.

Defeating Gallia in their border & core worlds is impossible task without massed rebellion from Council to totally paralyze their economy/supplies. Not to mention there will be like only two way to get in - jumpgate in Kusari & Orkney minefield. Perfect trap.

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[Lonely_Ghost]

I think, that not exact lack of direct combat experience, but general war experience, could threat to Gallia. I belive, Gallia never had war so far from their home, and IMO, right "Fleet support" part can cause problems, because, GRN not just need to fly their Valors right, they need to keep them in Combat-ready conditions, not talking about re-fuel, maintenance, and support human basic needs.
So as there was mentioned, constant stikes on their supply lines, can gradualy decreas eficent of Gallia fleet and army and after some time, might canno will be unloaded.

Other question, how this will be done in game?