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[Pancakes]

Hone was role playing via PMs. You should not have went ooRP. You could have easily RP'd that you weren't stupid enough to be baited without resorting to ooRP reference to the player list.

Jesus, take some responsibility for your poor actions.

I did told him inRP stuff too, that converstaion was about 5 minutes long, what he showed here was only the message he gave right after it, and a bit more.

EDIT: Moreover it was all done inRP, want me to post logs?
EDIT2: I first saw him dumping from a lane 7k from me twice, then using it to get back, only then opened the player list as I had suspicions I am about to get in a trap - perhaps I was, perhaps I wasn't.

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BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[Daedric]

I did told him inRP stuff too, that converstaion was about 5 minutes long, what he showed here was only the message he gave right after it, and a bit more.

EDIT: Moreover it was all done inRP, want me to post logs?
EDIT2: I first saw him dumping from a lane 7k from me twice, then using it to get back, only then opened the player list as I had suspicions I am about to get in a trap - perhaps I was, perhaps I wasn't.

By your own words it wasn't all in role play.

It was me, want to Q_Q more?
Usually when people dock twice the lanes near me after they leave, having anther person from the same group in the same system means I am being lead into a trap.
Now, I forgot the // that's about it.So, now when you are done Q_Qing after I harmed bretonia's economy (not my fault that miners try to pass 3 BS patrols that are near stokes) I still don't get who you killed, no one I was watching for anyway.
EDIT: Moreover if you think I would say BPA) inRP, then you better... nvm I won't get down your level...

The parts that are in bold makes it clear that the line where you mention the player list (group) was meant to be out of role play.

My issue isn't that you used the player list. Everyone does. My issue is that instead of merely role playing with him, you went ooRP. You broke immersion. That and your attitude. He came here with a valid complaint. That you brought ooRP into RP, which was wrong because you forgot the // by your own admittance. Yet you labelled it QQ.

Edit: That said. Per admin guidance one issue like what Hone pointed out isn't faction feedback. Multiple issues however is. So, I'll admit that per admin guidance he shouldn't have posted it here.

I will stand on Pancakes' side. Only because Hone should not have contacted mortal enemy via PM and continued RP. That is, imho, ooRP it self.

Mortal enemies contact each other via PM all of the time. It isn't ooRP, it is role play. PM's aren't just for use by your friends. Is it ooRP to contact your mortal enemy on the forums via a comm thread? No. Same applies to PMs in game. Just shouldn't harass people using it.

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[Pancakes]

By your own words it wasn't all in role play.
The parts that are in bold makes it clear that the line where you mention the player list (group) was meant to be out of role play.

My issue isn't that you used the player list. Everyone does. My issue is that instead of merely role playing with him, you went ooRP. You broke immersion. That and your attitude. He came here with a valid complaint. That you brought ooRP into RP, which was wrong because you forgot the // by your own admittance. Yet you labelled it QQ.

Edit: That said. Per admin guidance one issue like what Hone pointed out isn't faction feedback. Multiple issues however is. So, I'll admit that per admin guidance he shouldn't have posted it here.
Mortal enemies contact each other via PM all of the time. It isn't ooRP, it is role play. PM's aren't just for use by your friends. Is it ooRP to contact your mortal enemy on the forums via a comm thread? No. Same applies to PMs in game. Just shouldn't harass people using it.

I have no problem with him PMing was all in all quite nice, and I did admit my mistake in forgetting the //, thing is, we continued to talk and continued role play, it didn't end up there, it ended up with few inRP insults (Kudos to Hone on waffle, made me chuckle a lot).
You seem to miss the bigger picture since a lot of the conversation is missing in his SS.
Sorry, but whining for this at the forums does sound a lot like QQing.
The only thing I am sorry for, is docking in a fight with MM~ today (no I didn't hug) he simply got me in bad mood after empty patrol when I am laggy and some random lolwut attacked me too (he did tell him to stop, but until the lolwut understood it, he downed my shields and snatched away ~15bots) so yeah, I do feel bad for it, other then that splendid day, burned down a Dunkirk, saw a BMM miner doing kamikaze on 3 BS patrols near stokes and much more.

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BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[casero]

Yep, we docked at the BHG base. With no KNF forces in sight. Not our fault you lads forgot it's there. But we didn't F1... one of your major grievances which somehow made ganking us time and time again justified.

Anyway, this has run its course. Again feedback gets labelaed as crying and the faction its directed at doens't feel responsible. Whatever chaps. sorry you feel this way.

*Dashy walks off to study some more*

The overhelming forces I don't approve at all, but as I'm not in the faction anymore, I can't do anything about it.

I also don't approve a Privateer docking at a BHG station in kusari space surrounded by KNF NPCs, and the KNF Battleship at less than 10k from it, if you are allowed to do it? Maybe, if I consider it a lame trick, you bet at it.
Privateers are semi-lawfuls as best, there's not 1 semi-lawful faction in good terms with the BHG. And much less if you are not in Bretonia, where privateers are not "semi"-lawfuls, but unlawfuls.

But again, that's just my opinion.

Your point about the gank? Yes, it's wrong, in my opinion (again). If you asked by your actions? In my opinion, yes.



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@All: This is KNF Feedback, not Hone's one.

[McNeo]

I think Privateers docking on a BHG base in Shikoku is fine if the Kusari Naval Forces can dock on a BHG base in Manchester.;)

But as Casero said:

as I'm not in the faction anymore, I can't do anything about it.

As for contacting your mortal enemy in PMs? Sure, but if you don't think you've got anything to say and you don't feel like throwing insults, then simply don't respond. If it gets stupid, /ignore.

[Ryummel]

Okay West, given your childish response in Skype after trying to sort this out, I guess I'll just post it here.

So the situation today is: CAU6 Hachiman and a CAU7 KuGB engage in a fight near Shinagawa. Fine and dandy. Two ]bd[ bombers arrive at the scene and one of them (Me, on ]bd[Hikari) goes to assist the Hachiman, after the second bomber clearly stated he/she/it won't interfere.

2011-10-01 11:46:01 SMT ]bd[Nikkou: I will sit this one out for now.

The fight ends up with a Hachiman badly damaged and a KuGB docking. Fine, no problem. Buuut then...

And right after that, you simply log off without giving us a chance to reply. Brave.

Okay, first of all: We can use zoner capguns as our faction request state. Secondly, we can't fight 1vs1? You'd better have to ask your own members about duels between them and ]bd[ members. But what's wrong with 2vs1 fights anyways? Gank? Don't make me laugh. We've fought in some occasions brawls between 3 KNF and 2 BD and it was nice and dandy. You don't like that? You got the 'must-win' syndrome too? Back when KPT was alive and kicking, we ]bd[ always went to fight them till the end, no matter if their pilots were way more skilled pvp-wise. Do we care about winning? No, having fun. But I doubt you'd understand that.

Your attitude as KNF 2ic stinks. A lot. (EDIT: Or even if you aren't 2ic anymore, you're still one of the visible heads of the faction).

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[West]

yes, it's all about fun. I don't get any kind of fun in engagements if there is no chance to win and don't tell me that hachiman didn't have any chance to win... it was usual 1x1 gb fight

You could easily let me duel with gb.. and then with 2 bobmers finish me if I won. but nah you decided to interupt.. as usual.

Also.. why should I listen to your explanation... I saw that second bomber is sitting near and don't engage, but still it was there....
once I logged to find that hachiman 2 fighters swapped to bombers and came to NT....end of story.

you still didn't point me where stated that you CAN use zoner turrets.

Your attitude as KNF 2ic stinks. A lot.

maybe it's yours as leader of BD?
it was soo fun to read your harsh comments... and after my words "no bluemsg for you"... you decided to post it in our feedback. :crazy:

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[Ryummel]

I don't get any kind of fun in engagements if there is no chance to win and don't tell me that hachiman didn't have any chance to win... it was usual 1x1 gb fight

You could easily let me duel with gb.. and then with 2 bobmers finish me if I won. but nah you decided to interupt.. as usual.

Dude, you were jousting a Hachiman in a KuGB instead of sitting behind its arse. You had all the chances of the world to shred that gunboat and still have fuel for the bomber. And no, I'm not in any way the appropiate person to evaluate your GB skills.

Also.. why should I listen to your explanation... I saw that second bomber is sitting near and don't engage, but still it was there....
once I logged to find that hachiman 2 fighters swapped to bombers and came to NT....end of story.

Enough reason for your [KNF] buddies logging in to assist you, right? You got way more members than we do, as well as a very populated emergency channel.

you still didn't point me where stated that you CAN use zoner turrets.

http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...c=99819&hl=

Then take a look at our faction request. Equipment section.

maybe it's yours as leader of BD?

I don't go around telling my own people to ignore any kind of interaction with their enemy faction. Remember that? And of course, I don't drop /fm messages like the one above either. Desperate Q_Q on your side and then logging off.

it was soo fun to read your harsh comments... and after my words "no bluemsg for you"... you decided to post it in our feedback. :crazy:

Why bothering talking in Skype if your answers were "go away" and "no bluemsg for you Q_Q"? And again, why pointing me that I seek blue messages desperately? I think we already have those dandy docking messages too.

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[Zelot]

Both of you, grow up, you are making your factions look like crap with this.

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[Montezuma/Kukulcan]

Both of you, grow up, you are making your factions look like crap with this.

How exactly is Fran making the BD look like crap?

He has a valid point about the attitude of a KNF leader which he would like to see addressed, and which he has brought up in the appropriate place in a reasonable manner, without any insulting or trolling.

I, for one, would be interested to see what the KNF's reply to that would be, as I have seen a rather poor attitude displayed towards the BD (among others) in the past, and this seems to be bringing that to people's attention.

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