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[Panzer]

This just shows how RP inhibits RP

I just love the irony...

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[Dab]

Well, Hokkido is house Kusari space, it is not in conflict. There have been mining operations there for 20 years. There is a major Police base and a freakin KNF battleship. I think it is pretty clear the system is fairly secure.

If you want to continue with this position, I can procure about a dozen infocards/rumors (vanilla ones mind-you) that state that Kusari's operations in Hokkaido are constantly plagued by the GC and the BD. In fact, that is the whole basis for why the operation only has two semi-efficient gas miners and a gate that hasn't been completed in 3 decades.

What you've posted is in direct contradiction to your house's lore.

Bretonia will have 30 BSs, 500 dessies/gb's and 750000 of small craft.
Basing on that if Kusari wanted to win that war.. they should have atleast of 3 to 2 numbers... it's making
50BSs, 800 dessies/gb's and 1100000-120000 small craft.

West, you're confusing what you think should happen, for the lore. The lore does not say this, you do. While Kusari should have at least 3:2 numbers to Bretonia, lore says differently. Kusari is winning not because they are larger, but because their fleet is more technologically modern, having had to rebuild it after the Nomad War, whereas Bretonia still had their old one intact.

Kusari is also far more extended than the BAF. BAF are guarding their core worlds solely. KNF is defending the core worlds, Tau-29, Tau-31, and invading Leeds and Dundee. That's nearly twice the territory that BAF must defend. So even with a 3:2 ratio of ships, KNF would still be more spread thin in a lot of its territory, and that would be if KNF only had to deal with BAF, GC, and BD.

BAF is fighting;

KNF
Mollies
Gaians

according to lore.

KNF is fighting;

BAF
Mollies
GC
BD
OC
GRN

according to lore.

Involving player roleplay we get;

BAF is fighting;

KNF
Mollies
Gaians
Hogosha

KNF is fighting;

BAF
GC
BD
GMG
CR
Mollies
GRN

Corsairs aren't included in this list, as lore in .85 has them getting pushed back by the Hessians. That is not to say they are not present in Bretonia at all, but they are not a significant force effecting the war. This is shown in lore as well as player roleplay on both sides.
Outcasts for similar reasons, though their impact is still higher than the Corsairs, but I'll give Kusari the benefit of the doubt.

BAF is fighting some pirates and a house military.
KNF is fighting two house militaries, one of them the largest in Sirius, as well as twice as many pirates, and two semi-houses, the GMG and CR.

Now, given your numbers of a 3:2 ratio, you'd still be cripplingly overextended. Maybe not to the point of collapse, but you would not have the ability to hold every front you are fighting; Bretonia, Taus, Sigmas, and internal pressure. And you certainly wouldn't be able to keep Hokkaido as secure as before the war, which means the BD and GC operations there would have an even bigger impact than before, making those operations nigh impossible to produce any significant level of H-fuel.

What I'm trying to say is; What you guys are claiming is not only inconsistent with your own roleplay, but directly contradictory to the lore. That goes for both KNF and Samura.

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[West]

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What you've posted is in direct contradiction to your house's lore.
West, you're confusing what you think should happen, for the lore. The lore does not say this, you do. While Kusari should have at least 3:2 numbers to Bretonia, lore says differently. Kusari is winning not because they are larger, but because their fleet is more technologically modern, having had to rebuild it after the Nomad War, whereas Bretonia still had their old one intact.

haha... point me to that part of lore where saying that we are not larger? pls?
We can't win 'cause we are not larger... right... 'cause we can't gather all those forces in one system.. that's why I told you that we have it in TAU's (tau-31,tau-29,leeds,dundee) so it makes it's smaller when it's directly fighting BAF.

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Kusari is also far more extended than the BAF. BAF are guarding their core worlds solely. KNF is defending the core worlds, Tau-29, Tau-31, and invading Leeds and Dundee. That's nearly twice the territory that KNF must defend. So even with a 3:2 ratio of ships, KNF would still be more spread thin in a lot of its territory, and that would be if KNF only had to deal with BAF, GC, and BD.

oh c'mon... and for what I showed you Core fleet numbers? just for fun?

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BAF is fighting;

KNF
Mollies
Gaians

according to lore.

KNF is fighting;

BAF
Mollies
GC
BD
OC
GRN

according to lore.

Involving player roleplay we get;

BAF is fighting;

KNF
Mollies
Gaians
Hogosha

KNF is fighting;

BAF
GC
BD
GMG
CR
Mollies
GRN

GRN - Sorry but unless you really invade Tau's (tau-23 and then tau-31) I won't RP that you are already here.
Mollies -As I told about mollies... they are not soldiers... they are pirates.. they don't fight us all the time
CR- Sorry but it's joke.... how huge is CR so they can fight outcasts.... GRN(if you rp that way) and Still be able to punch hard Kusari?
GMG- They are not attacking.... and we are in defence position.. so sorry but I won't include this too, also How huge their fleet is? I'm sure it's something around 6-8k... if more... well where are they living then.
GC- Not regular army... and were for a long time in Kusari.
BD- Formidable enemie.. but low in numbers.
BAF- They stick on Tau front.

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BAF is fighting some pirates and a house military.
KNF is fighting two house militaries, one of them the largest in Sirius, as well as twice as many pirates, and two semi-houses, the GMG and CR.

look higher

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Now, given your numbers of a 3:2 ratio, you'd still be cripplingly overextended. Maybe not to the point of collapse, but you would not have the ability to hold every front you are fighting; Bretonia, Taus, Sigmas, and internal pressure. And you certainly wouldn't be able to keep Hokkaido as secure as before the war, which means the BD and GC operations there would have an even bigger impact than before, making those operations nigh impossible to produce any significant level of H-fuel.

What I'm trying to say is; What you guys are claiming is not only inconsistent with your own roleplay, but directly contradictory to the lore. That goes for both KNF and Samura.

sorry but with this numbers "20BS's 250 dessies/gbs and 45000-50000 of small craft" we can secure Core space without problems.

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[Dab]

GRN - Sorry but unless you really invade Tau's (tau-23 and then tau-31) I won't RP that you are already here.

We did, many times. KNF refused to log in and fight us.

The rest of your post caused so much facepalming I couldn't think of how to respond to it. I concede defeat sir.

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[West]

oh right... bumping chat in a hour before "event" is good sign...
indeed in that time we can gather forces.

and sorry but for months that chat were silent.

also why faceplaming? because it's don't fit into your view on how kusari crippling and can't fight so many enemies....

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[AeternusDoleo]

Comparative fleet strength... people keep forgetting that defendable territory is a factor in that. Bretonia's house navy may be smaller, but they have at this point less territory to cover, having all but pulled back from the Taus. The CR's forces may be in absolute term no match for the KNF, but given they have at most one system to defend for themselves, they can concentrate everything they have. Kusari has the lower Taus, the conflicted Bretonian systems and now the conflict in the Sigmas all pulling on their forces. Hokkaido may be secure in a military fashion, but according to every piece of lore I've read, still has heavy Blood Dragon and GC raiding forces, making mining operations difficult (the GMG has the same problem with the Hogosha, Corsairs and Outcasts). Point being, that their naval assets have to be distributed between all these systems and resources that require to be defended.

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[casero]

Gotta say this.

in 4.85 Lore.

There's no GMG conflict.
There's no GRN in Taus.
There's no CR fighting KNF (And even right now, KNF didn't declare war in CR; it's was just their declaration, and even then, they can declare whatever they want, but that doesn't mean KNF has wasted any resources for a war of words).

Now, if the lore has changed, I'd like to know why does it only changes for KNF.

Let's say we move a bit further for 4.86 lore, then it shouldn't involve only GRN. It should move for every faction. That would include corsairs in bretonia.

And since there's no 4.86 lore regarding KNF and GMG, and considering it's not a war, but a small conflict (which can be checked by the actions in game, from zero to none), I'd not say KNF is using a lot of resources with GMG.

And you don't really want to use the Player Role Play here. Because I've seen far more GRNs shooting BAF than KNF.

[Ceoran]

Double standards, Dab.

If Hokkaido is measured by outdated vanilla infocards that never received any love so far, then why not apply the same to Cambridge which is getting overrun by Corsair due to an incompetent BPA-officer who wasn't taking the threat serious for too long? And Casablanca actually doesn't change a bit if the Corsairs are coming in by Omega-5.

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[xiphos]

Comparative fleet strength... people keep forgetting that defendable territory is a factor in that. Bretonia's house navy may be smaller, but they have at this point less territory to cover, having all but pulled back from the Taus. The CR's forces may be in absolute term no match for the KNF, but given they have at most one system to defend for themselves, they can concentrate everything they have. Kusari has the lower Taus, the conflicted Bretonian systems and now the conflict in the Sigmas all pulling on their forces. Hokkaido may be secure in a military fashion, but according to every piece of lore I've read, still has heavy Blood Dragon and GC raiding forces, making mining operations difficult (the GMG has the same problem with the Hogosha, Corsairs and Outcasts). Point being, that their naval assets have to be distributed between all these systems and resources that require to be defended.

This is indeed a good point and reasonable when you think about it a while. But also many people just forget about it that the KNF don`t fight alone in Kusari. They have also the Hogosha, the Farmers Alliance and the KSP. The KSP is limited of Kusari core. But the Hogosha and the Farmers Alliance are able to hit Kusari enemies inside and outside of Kusari when they are called for. And at least the Farmers Alliance as Samura "Lapdogs" is defening Samura mining operation in Hokkaido when Samura call them. Not to mention that Samura have enough money to have a very good Security fleet.

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