Laowai: My position on leaders, and their position due to respect is based solely on the way it is on Discovery. The analysis does not cover the real life aspect of leadership, but compares the Discovery aspect to similarities in real life. Though as an interesting point, it is worth adding that no leader is perfect and that includes the leaders of Discovery as well.
Blodo I see your point, I truly do. But one thing I would state is that most factions will assume that a faction member is to be trusted immediately, as they have passed a minimum standard required to get into that faction. A lot of faction members will eb wary of independents becasue they can get jumped by an awful lot of abd indies in one day, but not so many bad faction members, mainly becasue most factions will yell at their members for doing stupid things. For example I do not allow my Rogues within 10k of manhattan unless we are striking at a target, but I cannot and will not try to stop an Indy rogue doing this, his choice is his choice after all. Within the RP he is technically under my command but I cannot enforce that command without demanding he join my faction, and not all wish to do so.
Oh and regards power tripping, herding cats is no powertrip, re-writing faction statuses and figuring out diplomacies as well as answering every question regarding the faction, trying to ensure the faction remains active enouugh to avoid supsension, only after all this can I go to the XA and do it all again for another half of that faction, then I may get to play... I wouldn't call it a powertrip as I'm often fed up of both factions after doing all the damn work to make sure they are running smoothly.
Saint Del is considered a holy healer of diseases of children, but also as a protector of cattle.
' Wrote:Laowai: My position on leaders, and their position due to respect is based solely on the way it is on Discovery. The analysis does not cover the real life aspect of leadership, but compares the Discovery aspect to similarities in real life. Though as an interesting point, it is worth adding that no leader is perfect and that includes the leaders of Discovery as well.
*picks nose*
Wait wut?
Also, at Praetyre. Just 'cause a faction is 'called' the Rheinland Military doesn't exclude persons participating in the role who aren't in the player faction.
I mean, it's not like IDs are sold in a shop somewhere to be freely handed out. They're a roleplay item. So if a ship undocks with a RM ID you'd be as quickly on your way to the infirmary for demanding to know how they dare acquire the vessel as you would to fire upon a passing NPC patrol.
You're Rheinland Military? Oh heck! So am I! Huzzah!
Oh, and, as this has become a faction/indies thing, I want to talk about my faction, a bit off topic.
My own faction was set up in such a manner that it is not in any way the regular BAF. (I do claim ultimate power over all BAF, and I do feel responsible for them, as Jinx has proposed, but I only regulate them if I here something has gone horribly awry. I'm the leader of the senior BAF faction, and I own the guard system, I'm allowed to do that.) It is something of a rogue group, created by the Queen in a powergrab...A situation that means I welcome indies. I've nothing at all against indies, and have had quite a lot of fun with them.
As for caps, we have about 5, total. We have slots for roughly....oh..2 battleships (one more) 4 destroyers (2 more) and 9 gunboats (5 or 6 more) pretty much anyone who has asked for a cap has been given one. I want to keep a decent ratio of caps to fighters ingame, because one of my worst experiences on disco includes myself, as an indie, being raped by 3 faction battleships. I had time to hit cruise. I did not get a chance to roleplay. So I try to prevent that, and because I do, I want to maintain a similar ratio in our opponents...only fair, if I ask it of my members.
Paint me with whatever brush you like, I consider myself a friend of the Indies, I really do. I'm biased, I'm a hard line RP purist, and I dislike capships because a trio of them made me cry.
I'd really like someone to tear my faction apart, it can only be made better.
And Laowai..its a bloody Gunboat. there is nothing small, nice, or agile about that thing. Brets don't even know how to build a gunship....Though if you asked them to make a SHF, thats what you'd get.
Del: And that only proves the points I laid out in my post. No doubt you will find yourselves trying to ascertain the position of a non faction player you find yourselves grouped with based on what he says and how he behaves. My rule still applies, respect breeds respect.
Also I do not agree with what you say that you cannot command a player not belonging to your faction if you are indeed roleplaying a higher ranked officer. Unless your roleplay is based around leading a small band of pirates, them being the only ones to answer to your control, you can by all means in RP ask the non faction player to remain off of the orbit of Manhattan. It is his choice to disregard your orders, and as such he will lose the trustworthyness points you have subconsciously assigned him. It is a simple equation of action - reaction.
' Wrote:Also, at Praetyre. Just 'cause a faction is 'called' the Rheinland Military doesn't exclude persons participating in the role who aren't in the player faction.
I mean, it's not like IDs are sold in a shop somewhere to be freely handed out. They're a roleplay item. So if a ship undocks with a RM ID you'd be as quickly on your way to the infirmary for demanding to know how they dare acquire the vessel as you would to fire upon a passing NPC patrol.
You're Rheinland Military? Oh heck! So am I! Huzzah!
What's in a name after all?
If A=A, Rheinland Military=Rheinland Military, which implies someone who is not part of A cannot be a part of A. Seems elementary to me, though I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic;)
' Wrote:If A=A, Rheinland Military=Rheinland Military, which implies someone who is not part of A cannot be a part of A. Seems elementary to me, though I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic;)
I'm not.
If a person has a Rheinland Military ID, they are a member of the Rheinland Military.
If a person has a Rheinland Military ID, they are a member of the Rheinland Military.
A=A
There is such a thing as "stolen papers" in real life. I'm not a People's Liberation Army officer, even if I bought a forged ID saying I was. I mean, it used to be Coalition IDs were publically available, yet that didn't make people Coalition. And the admins seem to have overruled the ID by approving a unilateral faction, which they confirm thus as Disco-authentic, and thus make them legitimate authorities in FL.
Its a bloody gunboat? yes... it was, and in case you missed what i said i was actually complimenting you people? The point of it being that the character didnt join a faction and it wasnt a problem.
Praetyre - You're not seeing what people who are talking about the RM are saying, or if you are you have you're fingers in your ears and are chanting "La la la la".
The stand that the RM faction is the RM in its entirety is what people take issue with.
' Wrote:Praetyre - You're not seeing what people who are talking about the RM are saying, or if you are you have you're fingers in your ears and are chanting "La la la la".
The stand that the RM faction is the RM in its entirety is what people take issue with.
And like I said, you should take it up with the admins. They approved the existence of a faction called RM, which anyone can see implies that it's meant to be the whole faction. I'm not saying your stance is invalid or doesn't exist, I'm saying you should put it through another channel, the source of this very issue.