Server rules 0.0; 3.3; 1.3 and an ID Re-Rewrite suggestion

[Thyrzul]

"Cut your engines."
"OK, but who are you?"
"Shut up and do what I tell you."
*trader flies away in silence... because he can, given he complied with the very first demand already and is therefor unpiratable until the end of the current encounter*

Am I really the only one besides Spazzy who thinks encounters like the above are retarded and no more than abuse of current (mis)interpretation of rules?
Am I really the only one besides him who thinks ignorance of evidence shown by the Admin Team when evaluating whether the shield demand has been complied with or not is unacceptable (violation of Administration obligations related to fair treatment)?
Am I really the only one besides him thinking that demands counted as multiple simply because an explaination is also given to the victim about how to comply in multiple steps with that single demand is nothing more than nitpicking for the mere sake of sanctionlancer and abusive (mis)interpretation of rules?
Am I really the only one besides him wishing for more unique roleplay encounters instead of retarded(ly interpreted and enforced) rules?

Give up and accept that the admins know best?

Except they don't.

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[Sylvie557]

Honestly with the low amounts of pirates on the server currently I am of the personal opinion that unless a pirate is obviously breaking a rule(The fact that the admins have to change Spazzy's sanction notice to try and justify the sanction and that many in the community have agreed the whole thing is far-fetched show that this wasn't the case) or obviously trying to troll(again in this case it is pretty obvious that the ships sanctioned were actually just trying to do some interested RP and not just trying to be dicks) a sanction shouldn't be the first course of action even if there was a possibility of rules being broken by accident. The last thing this server needs is to further lower the desire for people to log pirates especially those actively trying out something new. If a report comes along that seems to be in a gray area in the rules or the person in question was obviously just making a minor mistake why not warn them or better you contact them and discuss what happened and see what they have to say about the encounter and figure out whether or not they were actually breaking the rule in question(if the report is a bit murky on some details) or possibly try and help them figure out a way to continue what they are doing in a more constructive way.

As someone who has been on both sides of the piracy/trader dynamic I will say that you are far more likely to run into traders that will try their hardest to avoid any interaction and even if caught not be willing to RP at all that you are to run into a lolwut/trolly pirate that either will just ask for credits and not be willing to do some sort of RP before shooting you since you didn't give the credits right away. This has made a lot of pirates lacking in motivation to log, especially those looking for more than blues even before considering the fact that they need to watch their every move or they might be sanctioned.

This might be a radical opinion so I can understand it never becoming a thing but I personally think that if anything we need to find out some way discourage the silent power trader mentality that has been around since I started playing and has only gotten worse as they are much more harmful to both the gameplay and and RP enviroment. Also, to clarify I am not saying you need to halt when you have the possibility to get away but give at least a line or two before you get away and just don't just drop a line like "just kill me" if you are caught or nothing at all.

[The Savage]

Not to be rude spazzy, but I will repeat it again:

This incident wouldn't become a drama, if either of you replied to my PM concern if such a demand is valiable, while I continued with roleplay based on knowledge both my character - and I - had at the moment. You did not, even though I questioned your demand three times (one by accident in system chat). In the end, I assumed you were trolls breaking your ID in order to get easy blues and filled report.

There, end of the story.

[Thyrzul]

Toris, keep in mind that this incident wouldn't have become a drama if the Administration Team wouldn't have processed your report with some bullcrap excuses of violations, later even editing the original sanction report too. Just as how you guys managed to clarify things among yourselves (eventually leading you to the conclusion the report wasn't necessary at all and you wouldn't have filed it in knowledge of the full context), so could have they.

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[Doria]

This is so funny...

[Oldum]

Actually, it's not even funny anymore

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[Findarato Veneanar]

Give up and accept that the admins know best?

Except they don't.

/sarcasm

we need to find out some way discourage the silent power trader mentality

I have a suggestion,
People powertrade/powermine because everything cool in this mod costs massive amounts of credits,
So change trading and mining so that instead of getting credits you get something else, idk what, maybe pictures of kittens,
And then just give players anything they want as long as they can write half a paragraph about its roleplay on the forums.

Wait no, that is a terrible idea, still, all those powertraders everyone has been complaining about for so many years? they do what they do because they have no better, actually fun, choice if they want to get those expensive ships and gear that was likely one of the main reasons for them downloading the mod in the first place, they obviously don't play the game so that they can fly around and roleplay as traders or they wouldn't be doing it.
You want to stop powertrading? get rid of the need to powertrade.

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[The Savage]

Actually, that's a very bad idea. Given, there should be better alternative to trading or mining, but actually "powertrading" is needed here. The more traders, the more pirates. Without many traders (as there's no sense for them to fly as traders), piracy dies.

[Sylvie557]

Oh don't get me wrong, definitely not saying get rid of trading and I know there is not way to completely get rid of silent power traders, was mainly voicing an idea and to be honest I am not even sure there is a good way to do it really but I can dream.

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[Moberg]

We need to get away from the mentality that the administration is always right. This sanction and many more reversed ones clearly show they are not. They are humans too, and they do mistakes like all humans. The problem arises when you can't admit you made a mistake. Just look at the feedback. You are almost alone with your opinion that this sanction was justified. A sign of hope would be for the administration to stop making this one-sided and look at the counter evidence and more importantly, consider it.
In light of this drama, I like Spazzy's new proposal for the rules. It doesn't cripple the creativity of pirates in their demands (which is currently excluding even non-lethal ship damage) while still retaining the original spirit in which the rule was written: To sanction pirates who would turn the trader into a guaranteed blue with excessive demands. The really problematic cases can then be warned/sanctioned if the need arises while you leave pirates more liberty in their approach.
Reducing the possibilities for rule lawyering is good, but it doesn't solve the core problem in this sanction: A discussion process where apparently lore, game mechanics and context are noticably not taken into consideration. And that's the harmful part, in my opinion.