(12-14-2019, 11:31 PM)Markam Wrote: I like this in theory, and I dont get why people are bothered about the 1 billion.
I am more concerned about the 2 month cooldown, the mod teams capacity to complete the changes, and the age old "is this RP sufficient?!" question that has no clear answer and has frustrated players especially regarding SRPs.
One billion is alotta money in my view especially when the only real viable options are incredibly boring and just make me not wanna play
Edit: Also considering the fact that this will probs mainly be done by Faction Leaders who already have to deal with the costs of running a faction itself
(12-14-2019, 11:31 PM)Markam Wrote: I like this in theory, and I dont get why people are bothered about the 1 billion.
I am more concerned about the 2 month cooldown, the mod teams capacity to complete the changes, and the age old "is this RP sufficient?!" question that has no clear answer and has frustrated players especially regarding SRPs.
One billion is alotta money in my view especially when the only real viable options are incredibly boring and just make me not wanna play
Edit: Also considering the fact that this will probs mainly be done by Faction Leaders who already have to deal with the costs of running a faction itself
Yes, its a bit of a grind. However in the grand scheme of things 1 billion is a paltry sum of credits, especially if more than 1 person can be motivated to contribute.
Grinding however, is the bread and butter of most online games, all that matters is that there is something worth getting at the end. And that relies on Devs being capable of making the changes requested.
Then it should be either RP or money tax. Why are players forced to put time into RP and grind to get something positive for Disco by advancing small narrative that is not stomping on someone's else?
Well running a faction is already draining on my funds. I also have a PoB to upkeep. Kusari hasn't seen any change in years, so now I have to pay for that too if I want to see any development in the future.
Devs completely neglected all of Sirius except Bretonia and Gallia.
This just seems like a big slap in the face for all other factions that just want to contribute something aswell.
(12-14-2019, 11:47 PM)Markam Wrote: Yes, its a bit of a grind. However in the grand scheme of things 1 billion is a paltry sum of credits, especially if more than 1 person can be motivated to contribute.
It didn't require money before though. The roleplay should be the grind.
(12-14-2019, 11:47 PM)Markam Wrote: Yes, its a bit of a grind. However in the grand scheme of things 1 billion is a paltry sum of credits, especially if more than 1 person can be motivated to contribute.
It didn't require money before though. The roleplay should be the grind.
I would rather pay, at least then, I can have reason to complain when its not done. Now I just submit a request and pray.
That's funny. So basically it is 1 billion for things that needed years to get ingame without payment before? Or is this an attempt of shiny "we let people create story details we neglected due to the simple mass it would be"? If so, it's horrible. First get the people created things done, things that are many months delayed already.. and if you want to make small, minor changes without impact to be implemented by players. Is this not what officialdom was for actually? Just it ended up being useless as nobody had the time or motivation to implement or properly discuss matters with OFLs for years. May I remind you how you devs just go silent for weeks at times? That's real nice, you know.
What's next? Real money so the devs even still bother? I heard 'strange' rumors of devs telling people to go play other games instead.. so yeah xd
(12-14-2019, 11:47 PM)Markam Wrote: Yes, its a bit of a grind. However in the grand scheme of things 1 billion is a paltry sum of credits, especially if more than 1 person can be motivated to contribute.
It didn't require money before though. The roleplay should be the grind.
I would rather pay, at least then, I can have reason to complain when its not done. Now I just submit a request and pray.
The time invested into the RP should be enough. You'd seriously be fine with the additional time investment of a billion credits as well? If you feel the developers have no reason to care when you've invested time and effort into a request, what makes you think they'd care more when it involves large sums of pixel money they didn't have to grind for?
First of all, Kudos to the staff for actually trying to address a problem and (hopefully) being willing to discuss it.
I'd also like to remind some people who have been screaming bloody murder about this that you were already complaining about the status quo, before this was posted, and that most of you have not yet offered any concrete solution.
Personally I'd like to raise a few concerns, suggestions, and questions:
1. I think that credit fines and activity requirements make sense for requests that benefit or "satisfy" only the players making the request (for example someone asking for a monument for one of their heroic chars in an infocard). However, there are probably also those kinds of request that can make the mod unambiguously "better" for players in general (for example something that enhances gameplay by creating and activity hot spot or telling an immersive story). This should probably be free of credit or activity requirements.
2. How will the devs themselves handle their own storyline progressions and faction developments, which are bound to benefit some factions/players and not others? How will you guarantee that you wont slip certain "requests" made behind closed doors in the mod free of credits but not free of personal bias (assuming you keep the mentioned requirements).
3. I strongly encourage you to add a layer of community quality control to requests to find out about possible plot holes, contradictions, and possibly woes the community will have with something BEFORE you implement them (you will inevitably hear about it afterwards anyway). This could be done by making requests visible, and giving the community the opportunity to give feedback (which staff or the person requesting have no obligation to take into account), leaving the requesting person the opportunity to correct mistakes or include good ideas that they didn't have.
4. There appears to be a feeling of "entitlement" among parts of the community that their RP has to be taken into account, which is often a bit problematic. I fear that adding a fee and activity requirements will only add to that feeling of entitlement once those 2 criteria were fulfilled, and will only increase anger when things are rejected.