' Wrote:Artefacts come from our old alliance with the 'Sairs.
They aren't allied anymore.
' Wrote:Four hours, in which I made a lot of money in your territory, traveling through frankfurt along with huge numbers of other traders.
So what? Should I congratulate you? Should I blame the LN for why they didn't even recognize my Unioner smuggler who made millions of credits by smuggling through Liberty space?
' Wrote:Alternative? I haven't seen you pirate anywhere else!
This is your perception. We have pirated in Rheinland countless times.
' Wrote:No, you are not obliged to work by my clock, that would be totally unfair of me to expect that. I am using an example however Kress. You may or may not have noticed that my IND has also been trundling around Rheinland rather a lot of late. When I say rather a lot, I mean that I'm on an epic trade grind at the moment.
At no point have I been pirated by the AU or any other group in Rheinland. I have not seen a Rheinland pirate's face at all, aside from in texas. This implies to me that something is rather awry.
Perhaps because Unioners arent the only unlawful faction in Rheinland?
' Wrote:There is a large amount of trade running between bretonia and the heart of rheinland. I know because I have been a part of it and have been watching it on my indy RM.
Omega-7 could be an additional option for piracy, yet this doesnt mean we cant pirate in Texas too.
' Wrote:The perceived lack of trade does not give you an excuse to just up and leave your roots and bugger off to another house. I will quote myself...
We havent buggered off to another house. We conduct operations in both houses. These are different.
' Wrote:I was refering to you stealing from miners. Miners are viable piracy targets. I was mining and travelling with new fewer than four other miners for several hours last night.
You are speaking of instants only. There will of course be opportunities in Rheinland for piracy. But this has nothing to do with Unioners being able to expand into Texas. And the official faction more specifically could be more flexible in terms of determining the zones to operate.
In practical terms it may be more dangerous to operate in Rheinland. The Rhienland military is bored mainly, because it has little combat duty within the house itself, unless the Liberty Navy comes calling. However, if you were to do a little reading, you will discover that Rheinland has a much smaller defence budget than Liberty, who have the spending (in roleplay) to wage war on two other houses at the same time.
There is no need to worry then if Liberty is capable of waging war on two other houses. Unioner activity in Texas shouldnt be a serious problem for them as they could always respond back.
If you had played a liberty liawful character, you would be more than aware that you spend your entire time rushing from one crazy emergency to the next, and should you lose a fight, it means that the various systems are just a mass of gunboats yelling the word "corrupt" at any opportunity they can find for the next four hours until you can come back and restore some semblance of order and tranquility to the place.
This isnt my problem.
Your wish to inflict yourself upon a place which according to your groups' description you should have little interest in, I find a little annoying.
According to my groups description? You apparently havent read the official faction status then.
The point being made here, is that with the xenos presence in Texas, you would find it much harder (with more stretched supply) to operate here than in the borderworlds. I find it a little odd that you feel perfectly comfortable to watlz right up to the texas gate and pirate there. It is something of a concern.
Xenos are hardly active in Texas tbh, but in Colorado, NY and other systems. I have seen a lot more Junkers and Rogues there instead with which we could both get on fairly well if we wanted to. Pirating around a gate isnt my personal preference but you cant blame someone for being at 15k distance to a gate. And one could always sneak through without using the lanes.
That remaining revolutionary spirit does not include Texas.
Texas has nothing to do with a revolutionary spirit and we arent supposed to conduct everything in the name of a revolution. We may do just plain piracy as we like.
Not really, due to the larger presence of the local law enforcement. The Xenos would be fighting alongside the local law in order to shove you back out. Your group, being tiny, wouldn't be able to cope with that.
Thats true, but still doesnt mean we cant take the fight into Texas.
"official faction"
How many active members do you have?
EDIT: Broke the code somewhere along the line... lots of quotes and the last three broke. Italics in quotation marks are... well... quotes.
What sort of question is this? Im not used to an investigation done by forums and we have already fulfilled our duty for the official status check up by sending the required data to Dusty Lens via PM. Arent you supposed to be already aware of this information as an admin? This is rather looking like a power abuse to me now. Besides, we are reasonably active as of late.
' Wrote:You know, I've studied most of the House roleplay in some depth due to the extensive work I put into infocards, rumours and suchlike. While I could undoubtedly be wrong, it is my understanding that the Unioners have no interest whatsoever in Liberty and in fact even fighting Liberty is detrimental to their cause (same goes for most of the Rheinland pirates). If Liberty wins, Rheinland is massively weakened and thus gives the Rheinland pirates far greater power and scope to enact changes of their own or pursue their own goals. If Rheinland wins, Rheinland will emerge stronger and it will be much, much harder for the pirates in the future. Obviously they don't want Liberty taking over Rheinland completely, but that isn't Liberty's goal either. They just want to beat Rheinland down again and keep its military forces crippled indefinitely, and maybe permanently gain control of the Hudson system and Planet Atka (which was claimed by and is being terraformed by Liberty anyway). And in any case, the Unioner's main enemy is really Republican Shipping for the most part, although they dislike Daumann and Kruger anyway.
Perhaps if Rheinland is currently dangerous to operate in, you need to embark on more recruiting? Boost the Unioner numbers a bit, offer incentives. There's a lot of diamond miners in Dresden to be beaten up, I'm sure the Hessians wouldn't care much. Then there's the traders going through frankfurt, Munich and even Hamburg. I mean bloody hell, I even got you a base in Hamburg for 4.85 to make it easier for unlawfuls (Unioners mainly) to strike at transports going through Hamburg or taking the shortcut to Frankfurt. Yeah, I know, there's a blockade going on, there's a war etc etc. But frankly, you should not be in Texas at all. Ever. Just kill them in Hudson/Bering/Hamburg? A few of you stationed around the Hamburg jumpgates in Bering and Hudson could probably hold up almost all traffic through those independent systems for hours, I suspect, racking up quite a profit if you bring a pirate transport along as well to collect the goods from those who may be reluctant to pay.
Either way, I think you should stay out of Liberty. I'm sure you'd start making complaints if the Liberty Rogues or Xenos started raiding Hamburg as far as the New Berlin jumpgate and or attacking the Alster Shipyard.
You have apparently missed something then as Unioners are stated as hostile in the Liberty Navy infocard for some reason, while Rogues or Xenos aren't even mentioned anywhere in Rheinland. Plus, Unioners know the Liberty's plans to remove them out of Bering, which is yet another good reason for them to strike back.
Quote:1) Hitting trade in Liberty, while operating in Rheinland is either more dangerous or less time efficient, productive and profitable.
2) Assembling assault groups in order to raid both corporate and naval entities of Liberty, more preferably as hit and run attacks.
You know, I've studied most of the House roleplay in some depth due to the extensive work I put into infocards, rumours and suchlike. While I could undoubtedly be wrong, it is my understanding that the Unioners have no interest whatsoever in Liberty and in fact even fighting Liberty is detrimental to their cause (same goes for most of the Rheinland pirates). If Liberty wins, Rheinland is massively weakened and thus gives the Rheinland pirates far greater power and scope to enact changes of their own or pursue their own goals. If Rheinland wins, Rheinland will emerge stronger and it will be much, much harder for the pirates in the future. Obviously they don't want Liberty taking over Rheinland completely, but that isn't Liberty's goal either. They just want to beat Rheinland down again and keep its military forces crippled indefinitely, and maybe permanently gain control of the Hudson system and Planet Atka (which was claimed by and is being terraformed by Liberty anyway). And in any case, the Unioner's main enemy is really Republican Shipping for the most part, although they dislike Daumann and Kruger anyway.
Perhaps if Rheinland is currently dangerous to operate in, you need to embark on more recruiting? Boost the Unioner numbers a bit, offer incentives. There's a lot of diamond miners in Dresden to be beaten up, I'm sure the Hessians wouldn't care much. Then there's the traders going through frankfurt, Munich and even Hamburg. I mean bloody hell, I even got you a base in Hamburg for 4.85 to make it easier for unlawfuls (Unioners mainly) to strike at transports going through Hamburg or taking the shortcut to Frankfurt. Yeah, I know, there's a blockade going on, there's a war etc etc. But frankly, you should not be in Texas at all. Ever. Just kill them in Hudson/Bering/Hamburg? A few of you stationed around the Hamburg jumpgates in Bering and Hudson could probably hold up almost all traffic through those independent systems for hours, I suspect, racking up quite a profit if you bring a pirate transport along as well to collect the goods from those who may be reluctant to pay.
Either way, I think you should stay out of Liberty. I'm sure you'd start making complaints if the Liberty Rogues or Xenos started raiding Hamburg as far as the New Berlin jumpgate and or attacking the Alster Shipyard.
EDIT: Sorry for posting this again, I accidentally deleted it instead of editing it XD
Quote:You have apparently missed something then as Unioners are stated as hostile in the Liberty Navy infocard for some reason, while Rogues or Xenos aren't even mentioned anywhere in Rheinland. Plus, Unioners know the Liberty's plans to remove them out of Bering, which is yet another good reason for them to strike back.
None of the House navies like *any* of the pirates or criminals which infest their house or even any other house, with a few exceptions of course (GC being friendly with BAF and Gaians friendly with KNF for example). Otherwise, they all just consider them a pest to be controlled or gotten rid of, but Liberty hardly goes out of its way to crack down on Unioners because they don't generally bother Liberty. Sure, they might raid the occasional Liberty shipping vessel, but they usually tend to hit Rheinland shipping almost exclusively, especially since Interspace Commerce lends covert information and funding to the Unioner movement, which would usually tend to discourage an organisation from damaging relations with that corporation.
' Wrote:None of the House navies like *any* of the pirates or criminals which infest their house or even any other house, with a few exceptions of course (GC being friendly with BAF and Gaians friendly with KNF for example). Otherwise, they all just consider them a pest to be controlled or gotten rid of, but Liberty hardly goes out of its way to crack down on Unioners because they don't generally bother Liberty. Sure, they might raid the occasional Liberty shipping vessel, but they usually tend to hit Rheinland shipping almost exclusively, especially since Interspace Commerce lends covert information and funding to the Unioner movement, which would usually tend to discourage an organisation from damaging relations with that corporation.
As you have said, they usually tend to hit Rheinland. Still doesn't mean they can't hit Liberty rarely. And I haven't read anything about the bolded part anywhere. Is this taken from a reliable source, rumor or just written up? If its from a rumor, there are lots of rumors not reflecting the pure truth. Besides, as I have mentioned, official faction policies may stray from the policies of core affliations at distinct stages, especially because there are serious scenario changes being applied by the creators of the Sirius history.
Taken from the political history of Independent Worlds,
Quote:The adjacent Bering system continued to flourish, until the Rheinland crisis following the popular revolution. By 720, crime on the Bering trade-lanes was out of control, and IC was writing off huge losses. Texas was approaching the saturation point, and the Rheinlanders were ready to talk. Liberty graciously agreed to fund the construction of a new jump-gate path and trade lane route through Hudson, if Rheinland would agree to the eventual annexation of the space by the Liberty government. Eventually, manufacturing would be removed from Liberty space and relocated to the planet. It would become the Sirius sector's dominant manufacturing center, using its proximity to Rheinland space to produce products of all sorts, competitive with Kusari, with no fixed labor costs outside of food and basic shelter for the workers.
Why would IC fund Unioners at all if they caused the IC write off huge losses? Doesn't sound right to me.
For those who don't think action has dropped off in Rheinland, ask the RM. They think it has. Shouldn't they know?
Unless of course it's all changed in the last 30 days that is....
With regard to action in Bering and Hudson, have a look on the AU message dump. Theres been loads of action regarding the ESS in?
Yep, Bering.
Just because an individual hasn't seen Union pirates, doesn't mean they are not out there.
Theres been things happening in Dresden recently and in one case following a pursuit, in Omega 15.
That one involved two Rheinland battleships and a juggernaught in bounty hunter clothing, as well as other smaller lawful craft.
I've fought more Liberty ships in Bering than I have fought Rheinland ones. I've even fought Liberty caps in Omicron 94 and Omicron Kappa in another identity. Having said that, I've fought Lane Hackers in Gamma and in the past, Dragons in New Berlin and Hessians in Sigma 13 but thats neither here nor there in my book.
As for the rheinland factions reaction, it isn't fair to point fingers. I honestly think the rheinland factions do a great a job. Sometimes their affiliated breathren get carried away but thats not a factions fault and so I don't see a need to take it up with them.
With regard to Unioners being on better terms with Liberty...er, what?
The Unioners are slap bang in between the two sides. One painted as the most powerful war machine in Sirius.
Do you seriously think Liberty will not slap down the Unioners as well?
They will try to roll right over them. Be realistic. If you were a military commander, a good advanced base of operations would be?
Well the FP is out of the question...I wonder where else is available?
Rheinland won't defend Pacifica so it falls to the weakest faction here, the Unioners. I don't believe they are the weakest but so many other people do that I'll just go with the flow.
It's been said that Liberty percieves the Union movement to be nothing more than pests. They will stamp on them as hard as any other 'pest' they run across.
If a bit of Liberty shipping gets hit by a few Unioners, so what?
Despite whats been written here, it is mostly shipping in Rheinland and the border worlds that gets hit.
I have to weight in because my clan's name is being put into this way too much.
First off, we are no longer in Bering. If any ESS ship is seen in Bering, it is pulling out and going home because the member finally got on to move that character out. The order is to only engage AU if fired upon or engaged themselves in self defense only. True we have had a past with the AU but we are above this and past it. It is now an old subject and we are moving on with our lives, how about you?
"Abstinence of the Heart; Sever Your Emotion Like A Defective Circuit..."
This is NOT a reflection on the ESS but on the AU. The fun you have been having recently proves that in fact the AU are very much alive and kicking in Bering. To the contrary infact of what is being claimed elsewhere here.
What, who or why regarding the ESS is not relavant here. Only the fact that it happened.
We are over it, are you?
This thread is about the AU, not the ESS.
Have a nice day. :)
No kidding Chico. So stop bringing us up, it's old business. And as for the AU being alive and kicking, personally we've only had an encounter with 3 members. And I can't even be sure two of those were not the same person on different characters. But again, this isn't about ESS this is about AU. I'm just pointing out the fact that ESS is not a issue of the AU not doing what they should be doing, so stop bringing us up like less than a dozen encounters is hindering them from doing what they are supposed to be doing.
"Abstinence of the Heart; Sever Your Emotion Like A Defective Circuit..."
Well, there you are, the good people of the ESS are obviously eager to confirm that at least one or possibly more of the AU are indeed operating in Bering and it has happened recently but only a handful of times but was mentioned on the AU message dump, as per my original post which clearly makes absolutely no mention or implication of hinderance of doing or not doing whatever they were supposed to be doing of any kind.
Thankyou for confirming that for everyone to read. Moving on...
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