Is Liberty REALLY more powerful than Rheinland?

[Akura]

Mighty Rheinland lost to bunch of gas miners

Rheinland's overconfidence, failure with tactics, capwhoring and general snobbery lead to that. The Gas Miners were clever though, it was a combination of Rheinland's little mistake and the Gas Miner's genius that lead to that little escapade.

It wasn't a war as much as it was guerilla strikes on Military craft.


Edit: Automerge fail.

[Howard10]

That bunch of gas miners was well armed, manned and trained. Rheinland didn't lose either, per se. If it had lost then GMG would have control over Rheinland systems.

Colonial war. The amount of times England, France and Germany have clashed over the years overseas is unbelievable. One example being the Seven Years War in America. France lost, but Britain didn't occupy Paris.

[Backo]

From what I know in .86 Rheinland looses one system... I think it was New Hampshire if I'm not mistaken. Because according to Disco story, Liberty has the capgank in terms of Role Play to push Rheinland back. Ofcourse that doesn't mean they'll push them all the way to New Berlin and claim it as their own... They're just slowly making any progress, while Rheinland is doing their best to hold them off. As what I see, because of .86 and the sudden "kaboom" in Bretonian territory, the war will become pretty interesting, since Liberty will have no suppliers, while Kusari and Rheinland will continue to use the Sigmas. Overall - No Rheinland is here to stay! Woohoo!!!

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[ryoken]

I like to keep in mind that Rheinland is very experienced in the art of war due to the Eighty Year War, Nomad War and now this war against Liberty. It wouldn't be a far stretch that they maintain a very well though out battle manual that addresses past defeats and refines past victories.

All these wars also mean that Rheinland has lost a huge amount of ship's,that will take time to reproduce. Mineral's or not? ship's do not build them selves over night. They may have the skill,but lack the hardware,and that hardware is mostly out dated.

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[Sturmwind]

Oh of course, Liberty is the descendant of the USA thus it must win every war even if logic dictates otherwise.

- Liberty has no resources of its own and is dependent on the income received from other Houses, yet it has an insanely large fleet.
- Rheinland has veteran pilots and elite fighter corps which in actuality easily counter -any- larger scale Liberty capship attack. Yet "in role play" Liberty forces are superior because of their capital ship fleet.
- Rheinland pretty much blitkzkrieg'd every single House in vanilla, when its economy was supposed to be down. Now that it's not so anymore, they're even weaker?
- The war is about the independent systems, yet Liberty is gaining territory, even though it has a good dozen of entirely disregarded and empty systems as opposed to Rheinland.
- Liberty is heavily tied down by piracy attracted by it being the center of commerce, in-RP and in actuality, yet they manage to carry all the above points out when their economy is being constantly eaten up by pirates.

Explain the logic in all that, please I'm all ears.

[Backo]

Oh of course, Liberty is the descendant of the USA thus it must win every war even if logic dictates otherwise.

- Liberty has no resources of its own and is dependent on the income received from other Houses, yet it has an insanely large fleet.
- Rheinland has veteran pilots and elite fighter corps which in actuality easily counter -any- larger scale Liberty capship attack. Yet "in role play" Liberty forces are superior because of their capital ship fleet.
- Rheinland pretty much blitkzkrieg'd every single House in vanilla, when its economy was supposed to be down. Now that it's not so anymore, they're even weaker?
- The war is about the independent systems, yet Liberty is gaining territory, even though it has a good dozen of entirely disregarded and empty systems as opposed to Rheinland.
- Liberty is heavily tied down by piracy attracted by it being the center of commerce, in-RP and in actuality, yet they manage to carry all the above points out when their economy is being constantly eaten up by pirates.

Explain the logic in all that, please I'm all ears.

About the war being Independent system based: There was a rumor somewhere that Liberty actually wants the secret research station in Bremen. Something about a captured Liberty Gunboat with data of the possible assault on Bremen. Can't recall which base had said rumor, but that's probably the reason.

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[Sturmwind]

Münster, Bremen. And yes, it's in the Rheinland press. If the conquest actually manages to materialize, I'm wondering how the Liberty media will react. Obviously their hypocritical plans about "securing independence" will be similar to what they do in the real world, not to go political.

[valen]

Game made by Americans with a space America, of course Liberty is the most powerful and advanced.

Took a Ruskie like Igiss to create a European house more powerful.

That explains it....

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[Elven]

Keep in mind the Liberty Navy is busy with 3 more-less serious targets: Rheinland, the Order and the Hellfire (last two aren't that weak as you might think). As well as upkeeping order in its space.

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[McNeo]

Oh of course, Liberty is the descendant of the USA thus it must win every war even if logic dictates otherwise.

- Liberty has no resources of its own and is dependent on the income received from other Houses, yet it has an insanely large fleet.

I wouldn't say 'no resources'. It's pretty much a copy of America now, and while America does have a lot of resources, it still has a very very large budget deficit. That means it imports a whole ass-load of stuff more than it exports.

Certainly though, Liberty is not self sufficient.

- Rheinland has veteran pilots and elite fighter corps which in actuality easily counter -any- larger scale Liberty capship attack. Yet "in role play" Liberty forces are superior because of their capital ship fleet.

What's this "Rheinland has veteran pilots and elite fighter corps" based on? And remember, capships ingame are not representative of the firepower they're meant to have. After all, capital ships in vanilla SP had guns which did like 50 damage per shot.

- Rheinland pretty much blitkzkrieg'd every single House in vanilla, when its economy was supposed to be down. Now that it's not so anymore, they're even weaker?

The real question here is, why did their economic overdrive and the strip-mining of most of their industrial centres not result in economic collapse right after the nomad war, given that they were in a precarious position even before then. How did they build up their military power so fast again?

- The war is about the independent systems, yet Liberty is gaining territory, even though it has a good dozen of entirely disregarded and empty systems as opposed to Rheinland.

Dev issue.

- Liberty is heavily tied down by piracy attracted by it being the center of commerce, in-RP and in actuality, yet they manage to carry all the above points out when their economy is being constantly eaten up by pirates.

Ingame=/=InRP. A naval force is far better equipped, trained and organised than pirates and/or terrorists.

Explain the logic in all that, please I'm all ears.

There you go.