The Sea group is just a sub-group in each of the three factions with iRP cooperation between them which is even based from the vanilla cooperation those three factions had.
They are practically just three groups within those factions. That's all.
And because of their cooperation, they call themselves "Sea".
Really don't get your problem here. Just because they call themselves "Sea"...?
It's pretty much like in RL there are corporations that have groups which all work on one project. Those groups also work under a single name.
EDIT: PS:
Don't call them dogs. Insulting will not bring you an answer.
(PPS: Do I smell ooRP hate here?... Close please?!)
All the explanation is wrapped up in Tigger's posts.
The only thing I can add, is that with each partnership, in the case of IMG|, Gateway), and [ALG] - the mergers and investments have been discussed at length with the ledership, the RP explained, and all parties have agreed gladly.
Also, before anyone starts with the thought, we keep tech completely separate per ID. Our Gateway Tagged ships, like a shire we have, uses bret guns, but our IMG Nyxs do not, and will not. We were working on a job for Alvin to ship refugee's to get overall bret weapon permission, but weve been a little busy to get it done.
Cheating? I think not.
PM's would work better next time Altejago - or better yet, you have my skype.
Well this seems to be mostly sorted out as far as I can see.
I do have one question to ask, don't take it the wrong way.
Do all Sea vessels follow the same diplomacy in regards to the company as a whole?
What I mean with this is that as Sea have invested and have ships in Gateway, do they stay clear of Kusari with their ALG tagged ships since Sea is recognised as having ties as a Bretonian company?
' Wrote:Well this seems to be mostly sorted out as far as I can see.
I do have one question to ask, don't take it the wrong way.
Do all Sea vessels follow the same diplomacy in regards to the company as a whole?
What I mean with this is that as Sea have invested and have ships in Gateway, do they stay clear of Kusari with their ALG tagged ships since Sea is recognised as having ties as a Bretonian company?
Good question, thank you.
Changed from its initial inception, Sea Spirit is more like a group of investment bankers. The investments return a profit and more investments can be made elsewhere. They're not out to run the other companies, just make a return on the investment.
Each ship is run according to it's official faction's ID and diplomacy. Thus, no, the Gateway) faction member ships do not trade with Kusari due to the war. The Gateway) tagged and ID'd ships are wholly members of the Gateway) official faction, not run by another company/faction. Sea Spirit is simply an RP of money invested for ships and crew. Since there are no stock certificates in the game, the addition of a Sea}{ tag is shown, but that does not change the faction status of the ship.
In RP, since vanilla, IMG, Gateway and ALG have been allied to each other. IMG trades with Kusari yet Gateway stil does supply contracts to IMG and so forth. They are separate entities, each with their own diplomacy, contracts, and such. Gateway trades with Liberty, but that does not hinder their relations with ALG.
As for Sea}{ tagged ships, each ship is wholly a part of the official faction that they represent and follow their diplomacy. Sea Spirit does not control the diplomacy of the ships, their official factions do. While we may work to try and get more business for a faction, that business is open to that faction as a whole, not just to the Sea}{ tagged ships within that faction.
OORP-wise, this is also the case. When Sea}{ tagged IMG ships mine, other IMG| ships are welcome to join us to either mine or fill their transorts. When running the IMG ships, we're RPing as members of IMG|, not Sea Spirit.
' Wrote:Thank you for that, it certainly goes a long way towards it.
Thanks. I suppose we could have simply done what we do without continuing to use the Sea}{ tag and kept it inRP but not in-Game. It was my idea to do keep it because on the one hand, I just like it and it's cool to me to see the Sea}{ tag in the player list as proof of activity in my own eyes. On the other hand, it does make things a whole lot simpler as a game mechanic for getting into group when some of us are on different faction ships working on different stuff, yet online at the same time.
As a further answer to your question, I personally like helping and working with other factions. If it makes sense RP-wise, I might get with the faction leadership about both bringing in some other friends to join the faction and RP it as investments by Sea Spirit. Those investments and partnerships have to make sense in my own eyes though. For example, several of us are in the Mollys together, but there will never be an [M]-Sea}{ tagged ship. :)
I see from your sig that you're in Samura. I don't foresee at this time an investment by Sea Spirit into any Kusari companies, not so much because of the Bretonia/Kusari war, as it is that Kusari is RP'd in a manner that dislikes foreigners. From my understanding of things, no such investment woudl be desired. Not saying you'd want such a thing, just using Samura as an example.
And as for you Dane, you know why I don't contact you on skype. Your management of Sea in the brief time I was in SW) blatantly proved to me the attitude of your faction.
I'd rather make it public so other people can see the answers I am seeking
Do you belong to more than one faction? Have you ever invited friends from one faction to join another that you're in? If you have, has the presence of yourself and friends in that faction not increased their activity time? If so, what is the difference? The addition of the Sea}{ tag? Which has already been described as more of an in game mechanic to make grouping easier as it's primary reason?
So, yes, activity hours do get bumped up as a side effect. That's what happens when you add more people to a group. We're in IMG|, but does IMG|, which is consistently in the top 5 for faction hours need that much of a boost? Not really. Yes Gateway and ALG are at the other end of the scale, but is adding people who actually want to play in those factions a bad thing?
I really don't understand the antagonism here, or what seems like it. Or is the issue that we've coupled our choices to join other factions and play together with the addition of some RP agreed to by the faction leaders that show an investment something that you dislike?
Several of us are in far more factions yet don't have the Sea}{ tag added because doing so doesn't make sense in RP-wise...yet those factions still gain from the hours because we actually want to be in those factions and are active. Thus, is it like an aim-bot? Absolutely not. No one plays in a faction they don't want to be in, so I don't see your point.