It'd be pretty cool if there was something to do in the Omegas besides shoot each other, but the Corsairs really only have the one trade route, and the Hessians....i dunno if they have any down there.
gone four years, first day back: Zoners still getting shot in Theta :|
' Wrote:Actually, from my own experience, Corsairs are always were bragging about being more cool then anyone around.
When you do that, some people will always appear.
Who will go like:
Yust where i wanted to post about.
I yust cant get it Corsairs complaining about 24/7 raids on Gamma.
Because they are so modest maybe and never draw any atention to them, hahaha.
Corsairs yust cant stop screaming Sirius wide how powerfull and strong they are
and constantly showing everyone who wants to look their big and shiny muscles.
I mean, even Hackers find it worthwhile to fly all the way to Gamma to find out...
And Freeports in the neighberhood closing for Corsair hostile factions wont make a difference.
I wouldn't even be suprised at all when GRN would stage from Nimes base to raid Gamma!
' Wrote:It'd be pretty cool if there was something to do in the Omegas besides shoot each other, but the Corsairs really only have the one trade route, and the Hessians....i dunno if they have any down there.
ok, ok But heres were I get a bit confused, Dosn't my trader get taxed all over sirus by corsairs? Isn't what you stated part of "game balance"?(you take 3 mil of me for any reason you make up on my 2.5 mil profit trade) Didn't you already know this when you rolled a corsair? Didnt you roll a Corsair because of the "shoot people" part in the ID?
Im open to being wrong, Its just how I understood Corsairs. In RP I prefer Corsairs to outcasts, Outcasts take your money then pew pew you "Because we can, were outcasts DUHHHH"
But those BH? that keep pirating my trader, there the best,
BH?) Hey give us 2 mil...
ME Dude your hold only has room for 50 units, these units, at the best price in sirus is 148 credits, What are you going to gain by shooting me?, About 8000 credits? I dont mind, Im in my escape pod ready to go, and I just checked, my insurance is uptodate.
BH?) Ohh, you have a point, Fine 1 million.
ME My whole load only cost 10,000 + Botts batts ect, maybe 500k max
BH?) You have a point, But you forgot to factor your insurance excess, Give me 500,000 and ill call it quits.
ME sure here ya go... Wait... Why are you running away, Im trying to PAYYYYYYY
BH?) If you dont pay, Ill be back.
' Wrote:If you're claiming that action in game matters, what consequences are you supposed to apply to your RP for a few days now? Sure, trolling and mobbing is easier for people who don't have a clue.
Basically it's differentiation you .... ah well, nvm. If you'd be able to apply it you'd have very probably done already. I suggest to ask Zelot, your mentor, to support you, because he's very certainly the master of grey scales.
Honestly, try to laugh again. It's really worth a try :)
' Wrote:OK...I've been sitting out of this thread as I'm sick of the Zoner Zoner Zoner crap myself.......and I'm a Zoner!
The problem is that someone wants an RP method to get an OORP solution. Basically, it takes all of the Zoner factions, now only TAZ and OSI, to mutually agree on an FR5 on mentioned groups using Freeports to lead raids into Omicron Gamma. The mentioned groups to me were: The RHA, Mandolors and BHG. Do I want to do this? No but I do see the point.
In RP, Freeports are NOT a staging area but people use them for this purpose. So the Corsairs decide the best way for this RP method for an OORP solution is to pressure TAZ and OSI by blocking trade or destroying ships altogether to achieve these means. Stupid? In a way since TAZ has no real influence in those areas and OSI is kind of everywhere. Still, I see the point the Corsairs are trying to make.
Ya know, if people raided from their own bases (Freital isn't that far away in Omega 7 and Hunters could easily launch from 56, we wouldn't be having Zoner pew pew!
You will also notice that I'm letting someone else do the diplomacy RP for TAZ partially because as an Admin, I'll sit out of this so as to avoid claims of Zoner bias.
There I'd like not to agree. In RP, and i mean by Vanilla sacred rp of hole grail, the Freeports are a staging ground for gamma raids.
BHG raiding Gamma is very vanilla lore and there are rumors on FP5 i believe from a Hunter guys.
People just can't understand the scale of actions. Everything you do on Discovey IS NOT IMPORTANT because you are just a 1 (one) ship from millions and millions of other ships (NPC), life is going on on it's own and if 10 Hessian BS appear at gamma and have a fight with 10 corsair BS it's not a big event at all and can't harm the sides by any possible way. Osirises in Eta and BHG dessies in gamma and many other capships are exploding all over around day to day and it's all jazz.
So when we are talking about few fighters raiding gamma and few ships from both side poofing it's totally completely nothing.
' Wrote:There I'd like not to agree. In RP, and i mean by Vanilla sacred rp of hole grail, the Freeports are a staging ground for gamma raids.
BHG raiding Gamma is very vanilla lore and there are rumors on FP5 i believe from a Hunter guys.
People just can't understand the scale of actions. Everything you do on Discovey IS NOT IMPORTANT because you are just a 1 (one) ship from millions and millions of other ships (NPC), life is going on on it's own and if 10 Hessian BS appear at gamma and have a fight with 10 corsair BS it's not a big event at all and can't harm the sides by any possible way. Osirises in Eta and BHG dessies in gamma and many other capships are exploding all over around day to day and it's all jazz.
So when we are talking about few fighters raiding gamma and few ships from both side poofing it's totally completely nothing.
Hello the galaxy of special people.
Again Faction rules, I think things have changed since vanilla, Factions just dont follow the rules.
THE SEVEN RIGHTS OF OFFICIAL FACTIONS, AND THEIR ASSOCIATED RESPONSIBILITIES:
See the second part, They have responsibility's to.
1) Official factions have the responsibility to clearly define the traits, objectives, and operational methods that identify their members. Those methods should be implemented responsibly, and with reasonable consideration towards adversaries who may be outnumbered or overpowered, but who nevertheless are entitled to similarly pursue contrary objectives. Official factions are guardians of the reputation of their NPC faction in general, and should always seek to act in ways that cause it to be respected.
Seems like NPC lore
RIGHT 2) Official factions have authority over players of the same NPC affiliation, as long as RP justification is provided. This authority applies in forums and in-game, and applies to player faction diplomacy, and strategic and tactical direction. However, exercise of that authority, on the forums and in game, is restricted to official faction members with the rank of the official faction leader and one rank below him/her. The authority may be exercised through the use of in-game in-RP orders, which, if not obeyed, can result in in-game in-RP consequences (arrest, court martial, and even "lethal" force in extreme circumstances). Official Factions cannot, under any cicrumstances, require another player to follow non-canon RP if that player doesn't want to.
Im not going to link em all, Theres tonnes and tonnes of this stuff, All the responsibilitys of factions, I know someone will come say rule lawyering because I try reading the rules. Hell an admin involved will come tell me "You think we break rules sanctionlancer" I have little faith in sancutions on admins, I dont know why, I just have zero faith there.
It includes the rep hack rules and all the goodies.
There responsibility to maintain there NPC's faction Lore (The part we should be reading to follow the chain of events)
This is incredibly funny. Really it is. Nothing quite changes. Maybe the names of the involved people change, and the motivation for picking one side over the other also changes. Maybe some of the involved people are much the same people as last time, just with a different agenda this time artound, which may or may not have something to do with spiting Zelot.
Who freakin' knows.
Truth is all the sides of this little dispute are petty and pathetic. Both sideshave got into this strange male-apendage waving competition, to determine who is the more manly, while also crying about the other side like a bunch of little girls.
Zoners - You're refusing to acknowlege something that's actually a problem. Go make a Corsair and have fun chasing every last guy who attacks Crete to whichever of the nearest freeports they feel like. I mean, Gamma really is completely surrounded by open-use bases. More so than anywhere else in sirius. It's a bit frustrating. I wonder how you'd feel if Corfu was turned into a hunter base, FP9 an OC base, and FP5 a hessian base. I bet the zoners would be crying then, but honestly that's the way it often feels for the Corsairs.
Furthermore, you've allowed yourselves to get stirred up into militant action by a group of people who's agenda is basically making a mess for Zelot. It's personal. Nice huh? Infact this specific group of people just loves the drama. the more the better. If people are crying, they're drinking the sweet tear-nectar. Many of these people were flying for the corsair side of the conflict in it's previous incarnation. The reason for the side-switch is just an arbitrary case of who they favour in OORP terms this time around.
Corsairs - You're incredibly stupid. You're trying to strong-arm a solution to a problem that can't ever be solved. Why can't it be solved? Because doing it would screw the Zoners. The mod puts them in a totally untenable position. They can't FR5 any and all outcasts/hunters/hessians who stage from FP9/5/Corfu, because the paperwork would be obscene and you can't catch them all. The Zoners can't go full hostile to those groups to prevent them docking either, because that would cause problems in places which have nothing to do with the corsairs. For example, FP2, FP10, FP6... The list goes on. YOU CANNOT ASK THEM TO GO HOSTILE TO THE PEOPLE WHO ATTACK YOU, BECAUSE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE.
I sympathise with your position, I really do, Liberty's full of 'neutral' stations as well, and it's mindbendingly annoying to just chase every last pirate you find to Rochester, Beaumont, FP2, etc. However, telling the junkers to go hostile to the OC would completely screw their roleplay.
Hessians - Bunch of opportunist, poop-stirring, annoyances. You can see the storm coming a mile off, sure. but hey, causing trouble for other players is cool right? Right? yeah. lets raid every day! god I love that attitude.
OC - The only group who's indies can match the stupidity of Corsair indies.
GMG - Just because you finally have something to do, doesn't mean you should be joint raiding gamma with the Outcasts.
[51st] - There is no good reason for MND ships to raid Gamma. The end.
None of you are taking a position which is sane. Every involved group is being mindblowingly stupid. I laugh at all of you. Frankly, yeah, I'm gonna fly in this pathetic war. A war which was spawned by dong-waving, made worse by personal issues. But the only reason I'm gonna fly is because I like shooting stuff. I'll fly for whichever side needs the numbers at the time.
The only thing I'm gonna say is that all the people in leadership positions in this, climb down from their respective high horses and realise that they're making themselves look extremely stupid.
Edit: Fran told me to list his Mando as an annoyance. So, Fran's merc is an annoyance. Happy now Fran?
Me saying that Gamma and Alpha must be unridable so the fights could occur in other systems- like the Lore suggests Hessians and Corsair fights in Omegas, Corsair and Outcast and GMG fights in Sigmas, Corsair and Core occasional fights in Omicrons ,together with removing the useless eta and lambada
---> Corsairs whining - corsair defenses are good. Riding capital system 24/7 is in RP and it is NP, because corsair players act rude.
Me saying that hostile factions allying on regular basis to shoot corsairs is OORP and breaking 6.10
---> Corsairs whining because they lost PvP.
Me saying that Zoners act OORP and out of their lore and breaking their ID Rules
---> Corsairs are lolwuts they attack everyone- Zoners just escort combined Hessian and Bounty hunter fleets that ride Gamma.
I see you all are not biased at all. Good luck.:lol:
Signing what
Joe said too, however different zoners not able to FR5 stuff is dev/game mechanics fail not a zoner or corsair fail.
(10-09-2013, 10:51 AM)Knjaz Wrote: Official faction players that are often accused of elitism, never deploy them and have those weird, immersion killing "fair fight/dueling" suicidal hobbies. (yes, i've seen enough of those lolduels, where house military with overwhelming force on the field willingly loses a pilot in a duel. ffs.)
+1 to whad JihadJoe said, minus swearing...but he hits the spot right there and summs up nicely what other people have said here and were pretty much ignored.
for the corsair side: FR5 won't work but a little inRP ban on offending groups(groups, not lone snubs) after some dooming evidence should be somewhat workable...
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