A call to end the rule lawyering/badgering

[bluntpencil2001]

I don't whine. I inform.

Players who don't use the forums (over 50% of law-breakers, I'd wager) won't recieve any warnings from the Admins, if such warnings are issued.

The admins don't want us informing players of the rules, and yet expect us to be their eyes and ears.
I dont like handing people into the cops who don't even realise they've done wrong.

It's subjective, really. I've seen you 'informing' others before and, to be honest, it hasn't looked as friendly as you would make out from my own personal perspective. For instance, you could be 'informing' someone, but, since you're not an admin with a firm grasp of the rules, you could be horribly wrong about your interpretation of the rules.

Myself, if I HAVE to inform someone, will do so privately, but generally I avoid doing so, since it invites trouble.

Of course, if someone mugged me on the street and didn't know they were wrong, I'd still call the cops, funnily enough.

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[n00bl3t]

Most of the server population here is made of people who can't let their Ego withstand a defeat or an offense.

I also detest the casual rudeness displayed by some of the so called respectable elite here.

It isn't our job to police the server, but it IS our responsibility to report those that break the rules.

Noted.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[hribek]

How about altering the console messages to reflect the current situation? Something more persuasive might work, such as a thing that I'm telling anyone who is apparently completely new and has no clue about playing in here...

"If you haven't read the rules yet, (please) log off now and go read them".

and if the rule lawyering is becoming intolerable, I'd prefer seeing the message "don't you bloody dare to threaten people with sanctions!" than being intimidated even if I know I'm innocent (99.5% cases). It really does make me feel sick and stop playing for a day or so.

The second one might need come softening, but I hope you get the idea. The console messages might contain some up-to-date info from time to time, eh?

[Seth Karlo]

I belive that if someone is Modding in a system, causing havoc (Shooting everyone) or blatently breaking the rules I will contgact them and ask them to stop.

If not, I'll usually ignore them. If they ruin there own game, so be it, if the ruin everyones game, I step in.

My 2 cents.

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[Carlos_Benitez]

How about altering the console messages to reflect the current situation? Something more persuasive might work, such as a thing that I'm telling anyone who is apparently completely new and has no clue about playing in here...

"If you haven't read the rules yet, (please) log off now and go read them".

and if the rule lawyering is becoming intolerable, I'd prefer seeing the message "don't you bloody dare to threaten people with sanctions!" than being intimidated even if I know I'm innocent (99.5% cases). It really does make me feel sick and stop playing for a day or so.

The second one might need come softening, but I hope you get the idea. The console messages might contain some up-to-date info from time to time, eh?

Now that is common sense. Even better; use regular scripted messages to tell new players about the consequences they will face if they don't read and follow the rules, so no-one need be tempted to tell them themselves.
"If you haven't read the rules yet, (please) log off now and go read them. Admins reserve the right to punish rule-breaking by sanctions such as fines, imprisonment of characters, and banning".

Regular messages like that (like every 10 minutes) should mean that no-one would ever feel the need to inform players that rules exist and are enforced. Anyone that sees a message like that, and breaks the rules anyway doesn't deserve any warnings, thus curing "rule-lawyering".

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[bluntpencil2001]

I agree with that. A polite 'ignorance is no excuse' would be grand.

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[kingvaillant]

People don't seem to understand the message

Yesterday, while I was on a pirate character having a big fight against lawfuls. I've encountered two cases of intolerance or simple pure stupidity.

First: A trader, that get openly asked in system chat te pay 1 mil to a pirate. judging by the events, the trader has not seen the message and kept on going its merry way. He was shot down, since the pirate didn't know that. here is what he responded in 90% accuracy:
'' //[piratename], I was expecting this from others, but not from someone like you''
'' //I will fill a report ''

What a douche,,, he did not even tried to understand what happened to him and treatened a player with sanction, that is rule lawyering.

the other was a ship that we fought against, we killed all the NPC that were passing near us, thus creating a giant bumpy junk field (helps to stop traders and tax them). The ship entered the said Junk field and began to pop around. He then began to whine that we rammed him in order to win against him. Reality is that he had the dumb idea to go straigth into the field and began to play pong3D. I swiftly, in the middle of a fight, explained him that he was bright enough to dive in the field.

EVERY SINGLE RULE LAWYER SHOULD BE REPORTED. you are a nuissance to everyone's fun here, I won't cry if I see you leave disco.

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[Fletcher]

Rule lawyers are really buggering roleplay up.

When some players die, reports are flung into a pile of waste from the ships toilet facility, then shoved into a torpedo and then flung into some kind of fan that is attached between the ring and Oder Shipyard. The fan will be pointed to New Berlin where I am sure the residents will not enjoy the manure filled sanction reports.

The point is, rule lawyers need to be shoved into a giant fan with the speed at maximum.

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I call for a reform in the sanction system. If a person spams with sanction reports, or keeps posting useless ones. They get barred the ability to post reports for a month.

I guess this could be classed as a 'Broken Whistle' penelty. Cry Wolf too much, and nobody will believe or care about your opinion.

Rule lawyers, go play Halo.

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[n00bl3t]

I call for a reform in the sanction system. If a person spams with sanction reports, or keeps posting useless ones. They get barred the ability to post reports for a month.

I guess this could be classed as a 'Broken Whistle' penelty. Cry Wolf too much, and nobody will believe or care about your opinion.

I'd support this.

(I suppose there'd be too many implications involved in doing it, like classifying reports as frivolous, individual banning from posting in a forum and remembering to unban them because the Admins have a lot of work, etc.)

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Fletcher]

I'd support this.

(I suppose there'd be too many implications involved in doing it, like classifying reports as frivolous, individual banning from posting in a forum and remembering to unban them because the Admins have a lot of work, etc.)

I can see the 'more work less play' annoyance, and I concur, but the admins must have a shed load of paperwork without this system. It may add a bit more paperwork, but it may cut down on sanction spammers or useless/no evidence reports.

Rule lawyers will be stunned, and admins and community may be happier. Some may argue this will turn Disco into a sort of 'Nanny' server, but I'd rather RP while remembering the rules, than break them and leave the server.

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