Klaw117, I think the best idea is to ask Igiss regarding the sleeperships. It may find it's way into some sort of continuation but may as well remain a dead end and thus neither false rumor nor the truth. It's a coin on a side, which side it will fall is unpredictable. Or perhaps it'll remain as that, unused.
Order of Cincinnatus is indeed an unusual subject. I do have a couple of thoughts on it. It may have transformed eventually into what we know simply as the Order, like not directly because the two while may have been the phases of the same organization the transformation wasn't obvious and straight. It's a secret organization, it's not changing a sign above the shop really but more about coming from talks to action. We don't know exactly who where those people who worked closely with Orillion before and then aside from they've came from various other groups across the Sirius, and of course some of them were Liberty Navy and LSF too. But what we know is that many of them, like Walker, were in it for a long time already and they knew of the threat. How they came to know each other and pretty much the whole history of the Order is quite uncertain, there are gaps but not severe ones. I think it's logically safe to assume Orillion have gathered the current generation of the Order of Cincinnatus and it's resources after finally seeing the threat alive that they have been warned about long before. Besides he was in Navy too. So he has indeed formed the current Order as we know it. But Order wasn't made over a night really - back in early times the colonies were only emerging and the initial Order of Cincinnatus would simply remain keeping the knowledge of the threat coming from the nomads, but there wasn't any action going around, so they kept passing it from generation to generation like a sacred knowledge, but it would be not as a separate faction entity, rather a society encompassing individual members of other factions, whilst remaining a secret agency of the liberty government watching out for a sign of the threat. And they saw it eventually. However back in their time they would spreading the knowledge silently to gather people all across the Sirius who would later when the right time comes become the real Order which we saw in the game. Again, it's something that may indeed conflict with existing material depending on the perspective you are looking at it from. At one angle it wouldn't look like they're related, but at the other one perhaps they do indeed. Personally I think they are the same, as in being two phases of the same organization. One phase that carried the knowledge of the threat so that the second one could emerge and fight back nomads before it's too late.
Ash, I didn't say I left exactly, people didn't read my post carefully (one says "bye" and everyone else like a zombie sheep repeat that without actually reading), I meant I am just no big game player anymore, as in I no longer lead a faction nor have any player faction characters, I play very very rarely and very casually due to free time constraints. I barely play at all. Mostly just offering help via skype to new modders who like to try at making content for FL.
The extended intro still has too many holes in it for me to believe it was meant to be canon.
I don't think the fact that we see the same ship landing in the canon intro as we do in the extended intro has any relavence. The narrator in the canon intro never refers to himself as the pilot of that ship, or that he was once in the alliance. I'd call it lazy animators, rather than a hidden subtext.
Not only that but in the extended intro, the narrator says "that was 800 years ago..." ... what? You're 800+ years old telling this story?
And if the extended intro really was canon... why the hell didn't everyone (or at least house militaries) know about them before the nomad war? Oh hai, sol just got blown up by aliens, I'll just fly to join you guys but not tell you.
Although he does say in the extended intro
"Someone had to warn the colonists in the sirius sector that these aliens were coming, they needed to prepare."
Dunno about you but when the Nomads mindraped Rhienland, they weren't so informed or prepared. I've never seen any evidence to support the theory of two strains of nomad, either.
I still stand by the fact that the extended intro was cut for a reason. It's more probable that rumors have spread of Nomads destroying Sol, but doubtedly true.
' Wrote:Order of Cincinnatus is indeed an unusual subject. I do have a couple of thoughts on it. It may have transformed eventually into what we know simply as the Order, like not directly because the two while may have been the phases of the same organization the transformation wasn't obvious and straight. It's a secret organization, it's not changing a sign above the shop really but more about coming from talks to action. We don't know exactly who where those people who worked closely with Orillion before and then aside from they've came from various other groups across the Sirius, and of course some of them were Liberty Navy and LSF too. But what we know is that many of them, like Walker, were in it for a long time already and they knew of the threat. How they came to know each other and pretty much the whole history of the Order is quite uncertain, there are gaps but not severe ones. I think it's logically safe to assume Orillion have gathered the current generation of the Order of Cincinnatus and it's resources after finally seeing the threat alive that they have been warned about long before. Besides he was in Navy too. So he has indeed formed the current Order as we know it. But Order wasn't made over a night really - back in early times the colonies were only emerging and the initial Order of Cincinnatus would simply remain keeping the knowledge of the threat coming from the nomads, but there wasn't any action going around, so they kept passing it from generation to generation like a sacred knowledge, but it would be not as a separate faction entity, rather a society encompassing individual members of other factions, whilst remaining a secret agency of the liberty government watching out for a sign of the threat. And they saw it eventually. However back in their time they would spreading the knowledge silently to gather people all across the Sirius who would later when the right time comes become the real Order which we saw in the game. Again, it's something that may indeed conflict with existing material depending on the perspective you are looking at it from. At one angle it wouldn't look like they're related, but at the other one perhaps they do indeed. Personally I think they are the same, as in being two phases of the same organization. One phase that carried the knowledge of the threat so that the second one could emerge and fight back nomads before it's too late.
Interesting...I'm starting to come up with a new theory now...
Since the Order of Cincinnatus still exists (there's a quote in my last post), I think that it must've split during the Nomad War, with Orillion taking the ones who split to Toledo while the others, who were probably Nomad infested, stayed in Liberty after failing to possess the rest of the Order of Cincinnatus. Orillion himself that he worked for Liberty's "deepest, darkest" and you can't get more deep or dark than the Order of Cincinnatus. Today, the Order of Cincinnatus is probably working with Valhalla 1 in Liberty's research on the Nomads.
As for the Order being created overnight, you're right, but the SP Campaign was, by my estimation, to be about 5-7 months long. I think Orillion could've easily gathered enough supporters in that time to form the Order we know of today.
Carlos Rivera: Corsair Brotherhood Pirate - Retired, shifted to Tripoli Shipyard's Research and Development engineering teams Anthony Cameron: Guild Core Bounty Hunter - Killed in Action, committed suicide after being trapped in Omicron Minor following its destruction Juan Ruiz: Outcast Ghost of Razgriz Pirate - Killed in Action, killed by the Sirius Coalition Revolutionary Army during Bretonian piracy raid Michael Winchester: Liberty Security Force Agent - Missing in Action, likely killed during Rheinland espionage mission or trapped in Rheinland Space Eric McCormick: Order Pilot - Retired, shifted to planetside training of new recruits
From what I gathered, Rockwell (the Admiral) survived on Pluto. He then blasted off to Sirius( With his Deus Ex Machina ) and formed The Order. The Order was originally formed to uphold peace and security in Liberty, as well as keep watch for the return of the Nomads.
' Wrote:Dunno about you but when the Nomads mindraped Rhienland, they weren't so informed or prepared.
Quick 2 cents here about this.
Seeing as the only thing the admiral witnessed was the Sun Destroyer blowing the crap out of the sun, its entirely possible that he knew nothing of the infiltration abilities they had. Any defenses would have been set up to stop a giant invading fleet or such. As for why people probably weren't prepared even if they had just shown up with another Sun Destroyer like what happened in Sol, its because as humans, we're all idiots and tend to kill one another for the dumbest reasons. With us killing eachother there was no way to create a unified defense against it coming again.
' Wrote:its because as humans, we're all idiots and tend to kill one another for the dumbest reasons. With us killing eachother there was no way to create a unified defense against it coming again.
It's more human nature than idiocy. Without conflict humans get restless. Personally I blame men. But Humans are smarter than Nomads. It would have taken the Nomads a millenia to unlock the secrets of Valhalla 1, humans did it in less than a fraction of that time.
But as Dusty said, "Canon or not it's the intro that Igiss has declared is what we're running off of."
That's good enough for me. May not be freelancer canon, but it is Disco canon.
' Wrote:But Humans are smarter than Nomads. It would have taken the Nomads a millenia to unlock the secrets of Valhalla 1, humans did it in less than a fraction of that time.
Where did you get that? Valhalla, as well as many other unnamed artifacts were left by Daam K'Vosh to be discovered by the Nomads and initially were supposed to be used by them. For example they made better use of Cardamine which had both positive as well as negative impacts on humans. So what makes you think it would take a "millenia"? Is that your assumption, if so based on what? "Stupid Nomads" argument? It's these kind of claims that never cease to amuse me. Now I'd like to remind you that those inferior nomads even in their infancy had technology light years ahead of what humanity have at it's current level, such as cloaking devices, organic living ships, energy accumulating and saving technologies (and thus no H-Fuel), bio-tech (Cardamine infusion), telepathy as well as number of other areas. They were able to reverse engineer human technology and adapt own developments for it as it was shown by Rheinland ships having their cloaking devices, Liberty fighters using prototype nomad weapons, etc. Let alone infest government and military of an entire house without populace noticing. Something doesn't make it up with them being inferior and doesn't fit into yours "it would have taken a millenia" argument at all. They were and even more now are short on numbers and scarce resources preventing from massive direct offensive actions, currently with whatever remnants left biding their time on defensive sitting at the rim systems.
Quote:...In the process the Nomads learned quite a bit about humanity and began to
understand how we had appropriated the knowledge that the Daam-K'Vosh had
intended for them. They also realized that our own civilization was technologically
more advanced than their own -- but much as humanity had taken the remnants of
the Daam-K'Vosh civilization and made it their own, so the Nomads decided that
they would take our civilization and rebuild it in their own image. We had already
unlocked secrets of the Daam-K'Vosh that it would have taken them millennia to
uncover...
from the Nomad backstory. I never said Nomads were stupid, they are obviously far from it. Humans are just more advanced.
I would venture to guess that most of the nomad tech was left behind for them by the DK as well. But that one is just an opinion.
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