Your agenda is transparent - don't get annoyed when people refuse your exploitative deals. People aren't stupid enough to pay you that much money. You can focus us for refusing your cash-grab, just don't try to sugar coat it.
(12-01-2022, 10:08 PM)Couden Wrote: Hello, we are looking to not see a quantity among quality. I understand that PoB usually makes people log more to defend, but there is nothing to defend a PoB which was decaying and also not also Dropping 8 battleships, 4-5 bombers, 3 cruisers, 2 BCs on 4 Coalition people.
To top it all, I am not sure you have room to complain at all. You and Core decided to both siege our bases while we had a public and internal event, and therefore ruining both in the process. We still didn't say a thing and kept doing our thing. Now you are coming to complain on our feedback thread and discord because you keep getting killed. What did you honestly expect, that we'll just let you siege without defending?
You also keep contradicting yourself. You yourself stated this PoB ''triggers'' you so you'll destroy it. Then afterwards, you claim you want activity. If you were after activity or RP, you could have contacted us. Expecting people not to defend their assets on which they've spent hours on is quite frankly bizarre. Or you could have written a comm towards the PoB (as it was very much active and not ''decaying'' as you claim).
Quote:Plus, teach your people not to log off from the fight in the middle of space, as one of your amigo did.
If you are referring to Thomas, he posted in the ''disconnected'' thread after his PC crashed.
Quote:Edit: PoB will fall some day. Just a matter of time.
And we'll simply build another. Or two.
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' Wrote:Your agenda is transparent - don't get annoyed when people refuse your exploitative deals. People aren't stupid enough to pay you that much money. You can focus us for refusing your cash-grab, just don't try to sugar coat it.
I've anyway set a price and I don't really care about PoB RP. Also a quick note: I don't care about literally everything happening in Disco. No Vendetta, nothing. Only Faction relationship is my relationship to the faction I play against or with, so the RP is the same as a faction RP. (Simply Hogosha = good relationship, Coalition = bad relationship.)
Quote:You and Core decided to both siege our bases while we had a public and internal event, and therefore ruining both in the process.
I don't see anything bad about to siege a base I see a first time near NPC station and I've heard nothing about.
Quote:You yourself stated this PoB ''triggers'' you so you'll destroy it. Then afterwards, you claim you want activity. If you were after activity or RP, you could have contacted us. Expecting people not to defend their assets on which they've spent hours on is quite frankly bizarre.
Yeah I only saw a PoB with 4 WPs selling nothing and having decaying HP, so kill a PoB would be a nice idea. Activity can be found anywhere else, since I am about to see not another people to counterlog your massive Lolgate gang.
Quote:(as it was very much active and not ''decaying'' as you claim).
I won't say it is decaying if it would've been on full hp.
A great group of players, friendly and active. The faction organization is excellent and the roles structure is world class. I give big credits to Ravenna Nagash, for the excellent leadership there.
I just want to say also that every successful clan will have some rivals or opponents who will stand against it and keep arguing. You should not be affected negatively by that. I wish you the best of luck and remember that succeeding within a very low database of players and also within some infested parts of the server with trolls, is not an easy job - good work and have fun DTR
I would rather take this opportunity to gently remind the HC that recruiting everyone who joins the server is a one way trip to sucking up all the life in the mod in the long term.
Point in case current pop numbers. Outside of Munich and Xi, people need to fly for hours on end just to get a single interaction. For PvP... I'm not even gonna get into that.
You do realize that just because people join DTR, they don't automatically stop logging anything else? If people want to join DTR and hang out with active people - something they don't even need to do officially, since, you know, indies exist - they will do that. It's almost as if the faction does something right that other factions could do, too.
(12-02-2022, 02:23 AM)DariusCiprian Wrote: I would rather take this opportunity to gently remind the HC that recruiting everyone who joins the server is a one way trip to sucking up all the life in the mod in the long term.
Point in case current pop numbers. Outside of Munich and Xi, people need to fly for hours on end just to get a single interaction. For PvP... I'm not even gonna get into that.
You have access to the same tools that I (we) have. All groups that inhabit Discovery could be as big and have as many people as DTR. I am also recruiting in various places and bringing new/old people back to the game. Feel free to do the same.
Let me remind you that you literally left DTR and Omicrons because you couldn't deal with Auxo and because you wanted to focus on Bretonia. Your words, not mine. And instead of doing exactly that, you decided to siege one of our bases as Core. In the middle of a public and internal event. And therefore by extension, generate even more activity in the Omicrons.
Maybe follow your own words and focus on bringing people in your area and give them a reason to log. You can always PM me if you want some advice on how to do that. I am also open to work with you within the realms of DTR and outside of it to make some activities in Bretonia. In fact, I've messaged you for events and you never came back to me.
We have a great relationship with Rheinland - with Lemon, Felipe, Rett, Scrula, and Niko. Both groups have worked together to do activities.
In general, I am not sure in what world should hard work be discredited. Change your model, invest time, get results. If every group in Disco was oriented in helping new players, maybe the server population wouldn't be what it is. Contrary to some popular myths out there, 99% of DTR has been recruited from players here.
@Sombs, unfortunately what you describe is a difficult concept for some. Which is even more ironic, because well-established groups had a lot more advantage over the years - entrenched, with experienced players, established RP and SRPs, perks, and so on. It's much harder for new players like us to get a foothold. It's easier to bash something though rather than analyze and put some actions into place. Thanks for your feedback.
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Well I must give a kudos to DTR on the successful base defense, withstanding sieges from three major foes all in a short time frame. When it comes to sieges where both sides have very large capital ships and decent numbers, it leaves only a fine line between victory or defeat. That is what I always found most interesting about the battles here, when they are real there is at least something worth logging for, other than just flying around, and it spurs all sorts of connected activity. People should be somewhat happy when you get some real action in, even if you don't win outright. In these cases, neither side truly lost, and being able to really take the chance creates real value to the journey, on both sides.
In regards to the events, I see it as, that is done when there is a bit of a need to stimulate activity. It's fortunate when we have enough active factions for things to unfold naturally. So to me priority should to go natural activity over scheduled unofficial events, and sometimes you may have to roll with the unexpected. Those events may have been put off, but the Core's gamble wound up handing you something just as valuable.
To the other factions, without taking sides, you can't always fly in and win a big victory overnight. Sometimes you have to dig deep!
Of all the action from last week, anyone take any videos?
(12-02-2022, 06:05 AM)Sombs Wrote: You do realize that just because people join DTR, they don't automatically stop logging anything else? If people want to join DTR and hang out with active people - something they don't even need to do officially, since, you know, indies exist - they will do that. It's almost as if the faction does something right that other factions could do, too.
That's exactly the issue. The vast majority of DTR locks itself inside the faction and refuses to play anything else, instead choosing to make up conspiracies against whoever they think is best.
In regards to the other comment(s) by Undertone. I left DTR because I also couldn't stand the absolutely nightmarish echo chamber that it turned into, among other reasons, two of which you did list. As you're well aware, I did that quite a long while ago and, when I "returned" to disco proper (I had a pretty big break till last month cause of IRL issues), I joined the Core to help them get some extra activity.
Concerning the Xi siege, that was done for just several fights (I've even told Vladimir of this when he asked me personally), but apparently that's not been communicated. I'm not interested in joining every faction discord to catch up on what everyone is doing, so it is not our fault that DTR had an event that same week.
Now to get back again to the recruitment dilemma. On one hand, yes, I could use it. It's doable by everyone which is exactly why it's awful and despised. On the other hand, all groups that do this end up filled to the brim with indies (and while that's not a bad thing) that have 0 purpose, just exist around, and play JUST that one group. I could go on for hours and list you just the [GN], [RM] and DTR people that are that way. They don't contribute anything. They are just dead weight to the server and that's hurting it tremendously. People that could instead be allowed to discover the mod on its own instead get hooked up almost instantly into RM/Corsairs, have fun for a week, and then they drop out because they don't have any idea that the game world exists beyond Omicron Xi and Munich.
I know it's a hard fact to swallow. But it's for the better that you sooner understand this mod cannot thrive on using this tribal attitude in recruitment. Log in-game, do roleplay, do fights, be active, and people will join you both as indies and as OF members. I've done this with the Core, I've done this with the BAF. It's an approach vastly more rewarding to the server.
As for the consequences of not following the above, I've talked to you many times in private about this. Eventually DTR too is going to lose most of its players. Eventually DTR too will end up without new people to recruit. Do us all a favor and learn that when that day comes, you'd be better off without having everyone just in your faction. At the current rate, though I despise just parroting what the others say, you are heading well for the "well, who do I log against?" situation in-game.
(12-02-2022, 02:23 AM)DariusCiprian Wrote: I would rather take this opportunity to gently remind the HC that recruiting everyone who joins the server
Can you explain what stops you from doing the same thing?
The fact that I need people to log against my group and the fact that aggressively recruiting only ever leads to your faction in particular growing by 5 players or whatever. After a month, it crumbles apart like there's no tomorrow because they don't understand how to even play.
New players, and I will stress this again, need to be let the hell alone to explore the game on their own instead of brainwashing them into joining specific sects of the community. It's a damaging attitude and the only thing it achieves in the long-term is making regions dead.
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