I don't believe an entire community's decision should be informed by what one person has been through, whether weathered. I also don't believe insulting other members of a community is a respectful means of arguing, let alone requesting that their opinions be silenced.
I feel that suicide bombers in Discovery would have little in common with the gruesome nature of actual suicide bombings and think that they would contribute much to unlawful factions and provide more material for interesting RP encounters. I would like to hear some organized, respectful opposition to this opinion that does not involve fallacies and ultimatums. Thanks.
Point one: talking to Trick like that is not productive at all.
Point two: I am against this idea because it really adds nothing to game. You can RP a suicide bombing easily enough with dual nova torps if you really want to. You can even RP it without being in a bomber, if you set it up and find a cooperative enemy. Because all you really want to do with this idea is RP, right? Of course.
Point three: I am against this idea because it is horribly callous to members of the community that are abhorred by the concept of suicide bombing. Yes, it is "too soon" as they say. Disrespecting community members in this way should not and cannot be implemented in the game. This is a game, not a "reality" simulation. People play this game to have fun, not to be reminded of things they'd rather like to not be reminded of.
Point four: This will result in tons of sanction reports, fights among the community, and similar things, resulting in no gain to the server, and a whole lot more grief. Think about it: if the "bomb" is scannable, and about to hit you, you're not gonna spend 10 seconds writing out an engagement notice, you're going to dodge or open fire immediately. If it's not scannable, people are going to be shooting up random passerby and yelling at each other because "he might be a suicide bomber!" Where's the benefit to the server? Are you seriously saying that there's going to be good suicide bomber RP? "Something something something, I blow you up now!" Boom, then the character is dead. End of RP.
Summary: terrible idea for in game and out of game reasons.
' Wrote:Point two: I am against this idea because it really adds nothing to game. You can RP a suicide bombing easily enough with dual nova torps if you really want to. You can even RP it without being in a bomber, if you set it up and find a cooperative enemy. Because all you really want to do with this idea is RP, right? Of course.
You can even RP playing Freelancer without actually playing it, if you set it up and find a cooperative enemy. Because all you really want to do with it is RP, right? Of course.
' Wrote:Point three: I am against this idea because it is horribly callous to members of the community that are abhorred by the concept of suicide bombing. Yes, it is "too soon" as they say. Disrespecting community members in this way should not and cannot be implemented in the game. This is a game, not a "reality" simulation. People play this game to have fun, not to be reminded of things they'd rather like to not be reminded of.
What about slavery? I don't want to be reminded of slavery, especially after seeing something like Amistad, but buying a slave liner doesn't haunt me or offend me. I don't think suicide bombers here and there in a highly fictionalized space environment would evoke memories of Iraq or something like that, just as buying slaves on a base doesn't remind me of Amistad.
If someone had a "bad experience" with a cop, would we get rid of LPI?
' Wrote:Point four: This will result in tons of sanction reports, fights among the community, and similar things, resulting in no gain to the server, and a whole lot more grief. Think about it: if the "bomb" is scannable, and about to hit you, you're not gonna spend 10 seconds writing out an engagement notice, you're going to dodge or open fire immediately. If it's not scannable, people are going to be shooting up random passerby and yelling at each other because "he might be a suicide bomber!" Where's the benefit to the server? Are you seriously saying that there's going to be good suicide bomber RP? "Something something something, I blow you up now!" Boom, then the character is dead. End of RP.
It is the same thing with capital ships. For the sake of argument: They result in tons of sanction reports, fights among the community, and similar things, (arguably) resulting in no gain to the server, and a whole lot more grief.
Where's the benefit to the server? Are you seriously saying that there's going to be good capital ship RP? "Something something something, I blow you up now!" Boom, then the fighter is dead. Bombers counter capital ships; interceptors and other light fighters can counter fragile manned bombs.
Most ideas are usually good until players abuse them; provided abuse is controlled, suicide bombing would surely add a more vigilante element to unlawful efforts, let alone a heroic, brazen, and selfless air to lawful actions.
' Wrote:Where's the benefit to the server? Are you seriously saying that there's going to be good capital ship RP? "Something something something, I blow you up now!" Boom, then the fighter is dead. Bombers counter capital ships; interceptors and other light fighters can counter fragile manned bombs.
Most ideas are usually good until players abuse them; provided abuse is controlled, suicide bombing would surely add a more vigilante element to unlawful efforts, let alone a heroic, brazen, and selfless air to lawful actions.
Good RP capship does exist. And the thing why bad things would happen less with capships than with suicide bombers is because bombs would be cheaper.
Hawkwings post says it all.
And if you want to make a simili suicide bomb, like many said, the Nova + CD trick works. Do it once, rince, repeat, tada, both of you are dead.
Edit: And to anywho that experienced stuff about this, I know it was probably a very very bad experience. I know you do not want to see anything related about that anymore but lets think, mines already exist in-game, we can already do suicide assault in the game. Also, let just say that if it does not affect most peoples like the suggestion of a Rheinland prison ship called the name of a german deathcamp which got refused by 90% of the people, most people are just going to ignore you.
' Wrote:You guys are bordering on the lines of my tollerance. I suggest you stop. I've experenced these things. Anything that's happened in the past to my ancestors is something else completely. Experencing them and having them happen to past relatives are two different things.
All you are pretty much to me now, is a bunch of immature children who can't imagine the things I've seen defending your freedom.
Bah, screw it, I'm done. Lock this post before I wind up going neuclear.
~Leo
I apologize for any anger or insult that I may have caused you, but this is a mere game suggestion, not meaning to relate to real life at all. I hardly believe that you have experienced a space ship blowing up into another space ship, since that is the idea we are trying to get across, not the bloody massacre of a real, human suicide bomb, or something similar to that. This is a harmless game suggestion that would probably enhance playing style for some characters, and add some more diversity into this game. This is not supposed to relate to real life, and space combat is much different from what's currently going on in Iraq right now.
This is in fact, just a game feature, and some game features can offend certain individuals, and I am aware of that, but you should at least give some ideas a chance, instead of shooting them down when you have personal connections to anything related to them.
I think it would be real good for the xeno's, the council, GC, BD and other terrorists
council mainly because during the french revolution in the 1800, there was an average of 3 bomb attacks per day, so yeah, it would make sense, even though they have entire battleships under their command.
Xenos? Why would the Xenos make use of Suicide Bombers, they're Libertonian Nationalist extremists, not Religious extremists, blowing themselves up won't make Liberty anymore Libertonian than it was before. And the GC's....*sigh* Why would a feminist blow herself up? That would just make the Kusari men think women were all the more stupid and worthless. Keep in mind, there have been plenty of terrorist organizations throughout history that didn't make use of Suicide Bombers.
' Wrote:Suicide bombers are in my eyes, the most evil creatures humanity developed.
It may be in RP, but it leaves a sour taste behind, so I dont like the idea at all.
I strongly agree with this sentiment. Also keep in mind, there are many people from many different regions of the world (Who may have lived through or atleast grown up in areas where suicide attacks were a part of everyday life. Not only that but there are a handful of Combat Veterans who play on Discovery as well, and I'm not so sure they'd like mixing a bad taste of real life into their Roleplaying environment, I know atleast that I would prefer not to see this happen.
I can remember a rumour where GC pilots blow their ships up when they're about to be captured. I wouldn't be surprised if other terrorists like the Gaians, Mollys and Unioners destroyed their ships instead of being captured.
' Wrote:I can remember a rumour where GC pilots blow their ships up when they're about to be captured. I wouldn't be surprised if other terrorists like the Gaians, Mollys and Unioners destroyed their ships instead of being captured.
Killing yourself to avoid the disgrace of surrender, that's a bit of a different theory.
What is being discussed here is getting a ship and going out with the outright intentions of blowing yourself up to kill your enemy.
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