' Wrote:My intention for assigning the MND to the Rheinland Military had RP and ooRP reasons.
The RP reason is obvious: the Kanzlers might is above all. And the Admiral has full command in his absence. So the Kanzler and the Admiral are also in charge on the MND. Easy as this.
The ooRP reason goes into another direction: The MND ID gives you relatively high powers. To prevent these powers to be abused, I decided to make it possible for Malexa (RM) and me (MND) to use the faction rights and stop abuse.
Kanzler maybe, but the admiral only the head of the military, thats all. Polie forces has another commander so dont realy understan why need RM control. The ooRP reason: because you think MND ID give you too much power (dunno why because example a merc or freelancer team has same or greater) you make an MND official faction what command the RM, and this weakening this type ID. Good reason to create a faction, congrat :).
Although I barely understand what you are trying to say, I will come up with some words on the parts I understand. Please have a look at this quote from the Rheinland Military ranks:
Quote:Admiral - Adm.
Required Ships: Rh Battleship
Allowed Ships: Wrath, Snubnose, Rh Gunboat, Rh Cruiser
Rank Bonus: Full command in absence of Gottkanzler.
I know some peope dislike the idea of being under control of somebody else, but this is not the case here. I know the RM faction and the leadership very well and they (especially Malexa) have my full trust, because of their effort and RP capabilities. I know that they won't abuse their powers and they are an important factor for the faction and Rheinland as a whole.
And it is totally within roleplay to give the Kanzler and the Admiral of the RM a partial control over the MND faction, because it is a part of the Rheinland Military somehow. Please don't look at this faction like on the LSF, who are an independent faction. Rheinland is different and I think the MND is designed good as it is with this rank structure.
Quote:Admiral - Adm.
Required Ships: Rh Battleship
Allowed Ships: Wrath, Snubnose, Rh Gunboat, Rh Cruiser
Rank Bonus: Full command in absence of Gottkanzler.
ooRP part: I know and you know and everyone else, how in the past the kanzler and the head of RM was same person, Virus. Of course when he found out the gottkanzler char and found the RM he gave his RM char same rights like his kanzler char. With this, wasnt any different if he used RM char or kanzler char. But this changed (like a lot in the time) when he gave up the RM leadership.
I dont think how MND is the part of the RM like you. As I said, Intelligence Services everywhere are independents from the other armed forces, totally different rights, laws, regulation. The reason is simply: their job basicly dissimilar from the other organisations and if they are under control by other organisation which has other regulation, the intelligence service simply cant work, cant do his job.
I dont argue how Malexa or others has good or bad RP capability, but it cant be a reason to take under control an ID by other team which has different ID, because the other team's leader is good in RP. With this, I fear MND wont different from RM.
' Wrote:ooRP part: I know and you know and everyone else, how in the past the kanzler and the head of RM was same person, Virus. Of course when he found out the gottkanzler char and found the RM he gave his RM char same rights like his kanzler char. With this, wasnt any different if he used RM char or kanzler char. But this changed (like a lot in the time) when he gave up the RM leadership.
And you know of course how it works nowadays in Rheinland. I mean you know who is behind the Kanzler or the Admiral? Please inform yourself before. I will repeat it once more: The Kanzler has ABSOLUTE power in Rheinland. And due to the militaristic structure in Rheinland, the Admiral of the RM has nearly the same powers. Period.
' Wrote:I dont think how MND is the part of the RM like you. As I said, Intelligence Services everywhere are independents from the other armed forces, totally different rights, laws, regulation. The reason is simply: their job basicly dissimilar from the other organisations and if they are under control by other organisation which has other regulation, the intelligence service simply cant work, cant do his job.
Well, basically the MND is very different from the RM. I won't allow too many members in this faction at the same time. Look at the RM: we are 54 members, which is a lot. We can easily control the entire Rheinland. The MND works in the shadows, so you will hardly find teams with more then two or three members.
' Wrote:I dont argue how Malexa or others has good or bad RP capability, but it cant be a reason to take under control an ID by other team which has different ID, because the other team's leader is good in RP. With this, I fear MND wont different from RM.
The MND will do other things, trust me. We have a greater ZoI, but restricted activities.
1. Missing the Landwirtrechtbewegung
2. According to what I've seen from the wiki, Rheinland's offical stance on Outcasts is unfriendly, not hostile. The MND might not see it this way, however.
3. Golden chrysanthemums on unfriendly? Trust me, you won't be finding many of them around. In fact, its more likely that you will be encountering the Hogosha and Farmers Alliance, which will probably treat you with quite some unfriendliness. You might want to put them on unfriendly relations...
4. What about the rouges? I do believe that some of them can be found in the independant worlds between Liberty and Rheinland, unless of course, you would rather them neutral, for a purpose I probably wouldn't understand (not being a rheinland person)
5. Operating in the Omegas, you *may* find yourself against a few mollys...
Anyway, thats all from me. (I need to update the Kempeitai's diplomacy too...)
' Wrote:2. According to what I've seen from the wiki, Rheinland's offical stance on Outcasts is unfriendly, not hostile. The MND might not see it this way, however.
Cardamine is seen as a great threat to Rheinland. Therefore the Outcasts are on the hostile list. They are the root of all evil.
' Wrote:3. Golden chrysanthemums on unfriendly? Trust me, you won't be finding many of them around. In fact, its more likely that you will be encountering the Hogosha and Farmers Alliance, which will probably treat you with quite some unfriendliness. You might want to put them on unfriendly relations...
Same reason as with Outcasts: Cardamine. And furthermore are Hogosha and the Farmer Alliance not interesting for us. They defend their culture, we do pretty much the same.
THanks for oyur answer. I added the missing factions.
I really like the idea of this faction. The way you are trying to get it to fit in the rules and still stretch them a bit is neat. I think that if this faction takes off it will add a very fun and interesting dynamic to Rheinland's interactions with the rest of Sirius. Bravo.
You still going to try to put this up Ventana? If you've gone on to other things I was wondering if Me or another player could attempt to put up the MND. It would be nice to have am official player faction for the MND.
The idea is very nice. I was already building an MND char, according to the previous internal-RM rules. Anyway... going back to isse under discussion
I gave a look to the diplomacy chart.
As far as I understand, MND are mainly a military intelligence agency. A common feature of these agencies usually it that they are above the civilian laws and the police procedures. Hence I would expect an organization like this to have friendly relations with unlawfulls if these relations can be usefull. You know... an enemy of my enemy is my friend...
For instance, I would say that unlawfull factions hostile to Liberty (Like liberty rogues or Lane Hackers) should be neutral or friendly, at least during the war against Liberty.
Maybe they should be neutral at the beginning. Sooner or later a probably strategy of MND would be the attemp to find an agreement with LH and LR in order to use them against Liberty... MND could even try to hire LH and LR to hit Liberty and weaken its forces. Once an agreement with LH or LR is found the status could change to green.
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