Bret vs Kusari

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Bretonia also has a lawful super-heavy bomber for just this reason.

Which is much harder to hit than barghest.

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[Blaze]

I think the size of the Bretonian GB needs to be reduced to atleast the size of a corsair GB

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[n00bl3t]

Well considering the BRetonian gb is actually the same size as the bretonian destroyer, and the bretonian destroyer is LARGER than the knf destroyer....

Id say both sides need one hell of a rebalance. Also, why the hell does kusari, with its gb-sized cruiser get defence guns wile bretonia's were removed?

To be dead honest, this is more of an issue than Bretonia supposedly needing a Dreadnought.

The Bretonian GB needs to be made smaller.

The Destroyer is fine.

The BS is awesome.

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I do not think that giving Bretonia a few new ship's(including a Dread) should be based strictly on RP. If that was the case,the order would not have recieved so many new ship's since 4.85. Yes they are secretive,but in no way do they have even a fraction of a houses resources.(not even bret's). Just about every major house/faction got some new gear. Bretonia,and Rheinland got the least. I also agree that IF all Bretonia ship's use Heavy armour/power over speed/agailty,then why are the Bretonia BS's barely above most Battle cruiser's in armour? Also if you want to make a RP reason why Bretonia suddenly gets a Dread? Easy. They are low on resources Beause! they been secretly been building a new class of dreads in secret, in the Guard system,and did not send any into the war, until they finished testing them,and had a good number.

This is a game people. Just have fun,and stop finding reason's to shoot down other's sujestion's,or fun.

I didn't say it should be based on rp. I meant to say that in-rp you guys shouldn't build one. This is a game but lets face it, the dev team are th ones who will have final say now think about that before you say something like this again. The dev team knows it's a game but can you honestly say they add stuff becuase it's a game? NO. They add stuff based on who needs it. By my memory the order asked for new ships and has a good reason to having them, now there are too much in circulation and they are trying to limit cap ships. Knowing this what would happen once breto gets a dread like this? Much more MAF indies for starters. Once someone claims it to be a good ship then they will come like moths to the fire and you wil say...."It is a limited ship we shouldn't have so many indies with the thing." Which by my memory he order also claims about their geb which is spammed still. So let's avoid this whole cycle an not get the dread becuase it's a game excuse hmm?

The only viable argument here is from dancing lady. If breto does get this ship it'll be a huge target and in doing so will have to sit out until breto is close to defeat or is on the comeback. Thus this goes with my last claim that if you get it, it should be used to fight mollies. Securing more resources to replace the few hundred fighters and/or bombers that thing just removed from the battlefeild will be it's only option. Because if I remember correctly kishiro and samura should be raiding your resource banks as well! Unless this is taken care of then bretonia should sit back for a long drawn out war. The longer the fight lasts in leeds the more resources kusari will obtain and that means more ships to deal with.

Long story short it's an rp server ryoken, if you don't like that don't be on the forum. Luna I understand bretonia is at a loss but a new dread is not the way to go, look into getting a smaller ship made if possible this won't stand on the dev's table too long...dancing lady great suggestion it sorta goes in line with my last and so far you've gotten the best reason to have the ship but it too might not hold up for long.

Keep trying but in a different way this dread idea can maybe changed into a new gb design? You guys have good lf's hf's and vhf's AND a great bomber. Start with your gb next in any case and I'm sure you will take a step in the right direction...

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[mjolnir]

Can we get a bretonian dreadnought, PLEASE? Both battleships completely depart from their shiplines in purpose and ability.

Yes they do not fit rest of the shiplines, blame freelancer developers. That said they are lo's of vanilla things that somehow do not "fit" within the shiplines. Like HF (VHF) Valkyrie (Wrath) being smaller than lF Banshee ((Phantom).

There's no need to "fix" these issues artificially - by resizing the vanilla ships. There are many more things that can be changed to balance stuff.

With that in mind I don't think bretonia really needs a dreadnought because the BS is "weak" vs kusari BS. It just needs different tactics to be used effectively.
Much like LN doesn't "need" a heavy BS to fight against rheinland BS, properly flown LN dread can defeat RH BS.

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[Slainte]

I understand the thoughts and intentions of a Bretonian Dreadnought but thats not what we need at this time. Tactics is the name of the game in war and what i would like to see is a smaller anti fighter gunship that could defend the bombers as they take on the Kusari caps. Something around the stats and size of the Trident would be perfect :D Cheaper and quicker to build than another cap and would fit in better with fleet tactics. But thats only my thoughts :nyam:

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[Lunaphase]

You all have a point and seem to massively object to more options. Fine. Mjolnir, can you at least rebalance the existing ships? currently the nimble kusari ships are way outmatching the comparing bretonian ships. hell, the bretonian gb is LARGER than the cruiser. Somthing needs fixing.

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[Blaze]

Or there is another possible way.
Make the challenger a powerful as a fafnir

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[mjolnir]

You all have a point and seem to massively object to more options. Fine. Mjolnir, can you at least rebalance the existing ships? currently the nimble kusari ships are way outmatching the comparing bretonian ships. hell, the bretonian gb is LARGER than the cruiser. Somthing needs fixing.

Give me examples of what you think is wrong.

Wyrm vs Hussar

Wyrm is harder to hit 1vs1, Hussar outside of 1vs1, Wyrm responds tiny bit better, but Hussar has a bit better guns => very equal

Paladin
- easy to hit head on, not so easy outside. Best in medium fights (2vs2 etc), no Kusari HF

Chimaera vs Templar (with faction guns)
Chimaera better 1vs1, Templar better in big fights

Bombers

Kinda can't be compared vs each other.
Kusari one is small target head on, big from side, has low powerplant and a difficult to use SN firing arc as well as low armor. Very similar to Upholder actually.
Bret one is basically a Barghest with different shape (shorter and flatter but wider).

GBs
1vs1 Bret GB will win
2 Kusari GBs vs Bret dessie have less chance than 2 Bret GBs vs Kusari dessie. This turns the other way against a BS.
Against fighters/bombers Kusari is better, but this depends on the pilots a lot - Kusari GB is better support ship and is hard to hit, but has very bad firing arcs backwards, so if it's forced to turret view it's going down. Bret GB relies on killing the enemy fast.

Destroyers

1vs1 Bret Dessie wins
Against 2 general GBs they are very close, Kusari one dodges better and tracks easier, but survives much less and doesn't dish so much damage.
2 vs BS, Kusari ones can stay much closer (so they are safer) but can't dish so much damage, Bret ones the other way.
Again the Kusari one has very bad firing arcs backwards (2 turrets), so if it's forced to turret view it's going down.

Battleships

1vs1 Kusari is more likely to win

Bret one is better vs Bombers and GBs, Kusari is better vs other BS. About equal vs Cruisers?

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