You aren't violating your ID demanding them to hand over the code. All wrecks belong to the government who controls the space the wreck resides in.
Meaning by taking the code, they've stolen from the government and that is perfect grounds to demand them hand over the stolen goods. Is this written in the law books? Nope.
There is also nothing in the law books about broken tail lights but I've seen the LPI issue fines for them. Nothing in Gallia's laws mentions speeding in a trade lane, but I've seen a GRP levy a fine on a trader for doing it. It is called role play. The houses aren't going to list every single little law.
As for them getting away? If you're a serious code hunter you should have a good CD on you. Pretty easy to make a blue message out of a CSV.
' Wrote:You aren't violating your ID demanding them to hand over the code. All wrecks belong to the government who controls the space the wreck resides in.
Meaning by taking the code, they've stolen from the government and that is perfect grounds to demand them hand over the stolen goods. Is this written in the law books? Nope.
There is also nothing in the law books about broken tail lights but I've seen the LPI issue fines for them. Nothing in Gallia's laws mentions speeding in a trade lane, but I've seen a GRP levy a fine on a trader for doing it. It is called role play. The houses aren't going to list every single little law.
The difference being that a codeweapon is actually valuable in the context of the game. A 100 credit fine for a "broken taillight" isn't, it's purely RP.
Where does it say that wrecks belong to the government? What if it's a wreck of a pirate vessel? Are you saying that police should start attacking code dealers?
Rheinland is the only house that has laws about code weapons on its books, allowing police to pirate them legally.
If a police from any other house demands codeweapons from you, it's piracy. Piracy, rules-wise, is an unlawful action, and police IDs (except perhaps the GRP one) expressly prohibit unlawful acts.
' Wrote:The difference being that a codeweapon is actually valuable in the context of the game. A 100 credit fine for a "broken taillight" isn't, it's purely RP.
Where does it say that wrecks belong to the government? What if it's a wreck of a pirate vessel? Are you saying that police should start attacking code dealers?
Rheinland is the only house that has laws about code weapons on its books, allowing police to pirate them legally.
If a police from any other house demands codeweapons from you, it's piracy. Piracy, rules-wise, is an unlawful action, and police IDs (except perhaps the GRP one) expressly prohibit unlawful acts.
100 credit? Please. More like 1 to 2 million.
As I said, it doesn't have to say they belong to the government. The house governments aren't going to write down every little law. Common sense comes into play at some point. Sooner for some of us and later for others.
I'm pretty sure I said that in my last post, guess you didn't understand it.
You say it is unlawful. My LPI character will say it isn't unlawful and I was confiscating stolen government property. It is called role play, sir. Do try it.
Edit: As for the code dealers? My character doesn't know where those weapons came from. Someone could have built them. If I am near a wreck with a code on it and I see a CSV flying away, I'm going to stop him and take the code, because I know he took it from the wreck.
If I see him in a trade lane in New York? I can't prove he took it from a wreck so he gets to keep it.
' Wrote:100 credit? Please. More like 1 to 2 million.
I'd only heard of the small fines for RP things like that. I guess inflation is alive and well.
If someone is demanding a 1-2million fine for no reason ("tail light broken" is no reason given that we don't have tail lights in this game, much less can we have broken ones), that's absurd.
Quote:As I said, it doesn't have to say they belong to the government. The house governments aren't going to write down every little law.
Laws like tail lights being broken don't need to be written down, because they have no actual bearing in the game outside of roleplay.
Something that actually has an effect in the game, outside of "just roleplay," needs to be written down in the laws, otherwise it's not a law. Rheinland is the biggest offender in this regard, given that they hide their contraband laws throughout several posts.
Quote:Common sense comes into play at some point. Sooner for some of us and later for others.
I'm pretty sure I said that in my last post, guess you didn't understand it.
No, I ignored it, because there's nothing "common sense" about wrecks belonging to the government. IRL, wrecks belong to the people who find them.
Wrecks of house military/police fighters could conceivably belong to the government. Wrecks of pirate fighters? There's no common sense at all in declaring that those belong to the government.
Quote:You say it is unlawful. My LPI character will say it isn't unlawful and I was confiscating stolen government property. It is called role play, sir. Do try it.
Taking a codename weapon from someone without a law to back you up isn't roleplay. It's wanting to improve your situation, to someone else's detriment.
The LPI ID says:
Quote:Can demand contraband, levy fines and destroy ships if they refuse to comply with contraband demands
Contraband must be declared in house laws, otherwise it's not contraband. Liberty laws say nothing about codename weapons, therefore, they are not contraband. Demanding them from someone is then piracy, which is one of the two "unlawful actions" that the IDs refer to, as has been discussed dozens of times on this forum.
Quote:Edit: As for the code dealers? My character doesn't know where those weapons came from. Someone could have built them. If I am near a wreck with a code on it and I see a CSV flying away, I'm going to stop him and take the code, because I know he took it from the wreck.
If I see him in a trade lane in New York? I can't prove he took it from a wreck so he gets to keep it.
If it's not contraband on the code dealers, it's not contraband on the code hunters.
Really, I'm surprised that you have an LPI, not an RFP. Your attitude of "I'm going to take whatever I can for myself, without caring about anyone else or the written laws, and then try to come up with some kind of in-RP justification for it" would fit a lot better with Rheinland than Liberty.
To add: a police ID does not give you the right to make up new laws as you see fit. In this case, "wrecks belong to the government" is you making up new laws.
If you can make up that law on the spot and use it as justification for piracy, then I can make up the law that you need to pay a toll in order to use a given stretch of tradelane.
' Wrote:If you can make up that law on the spot and use it as justification for piracy, then I can make up the law that you need to pay a toll in order to use a given stretch of tradelane.
That goes to IC first. K? k!
At any point, this is not about laws. It is about codehunting CSVs.
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