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[Dab]

I see you are as civil in you speech as always Skullz. I've been in the GRN for a long time. I was there when the OS&C attempted to get access to Gallia. They were prohibited in conducting trade of persons, such as tourists, within Gallia. You might want to try a little research yourself.

Furthermore, Bretonia has two avenues into Edinburgh. Via Dublin and via Leeds. You keep telling yourself that it won't be a battleground, but the Bret players know it will be, the Gallic players know it will be, and the lore says it will be. Bretonia doesnt need a base there to fight there. That's why we fly spaceships with engines. With all due respect, you need to stop thinking you know everything, and you need to stop treating everyone you disagree with like they are idiots. Most of all, you need to stop insulting people. You made Gallia an enemy of Freeport ten doing that, you completely drove OS&Cs reputation into the ground doing it, and now you've made your Junker an enemy of Gallia as well doing it. If that isn't enough to clue you into that your attitude is in the wrong place, I honestly don't know what will.

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[jammi]

Their has been previous roleplay wiuth gallia and OSC alloewing them to access gallia and to export goods from gallia. Prehaps doping some research may think otherwise.

That's not mod lore, it's your own personal RP. The Shetland is evacuated before the GRN take total control of the system. The Shetland's primary clientèle are Bretonian VIPs - military officers, celebrities, politicians, etc. Exactly the sort of people that don't want to be in a system where the GRN could seize them and hold them hostage.

That said, It might make sense to have it near the Cambridge jump gate in New London, or in Cambridge orbit, between the New London and Norfolk trade lanes. Alternately, it could be opposite the Norfolk facing the Ross Planetoid. Neither are particularly touristy spots, but it sure as hell beats looking down the barrel of a Valor's forward cannon.

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[Skullz]

@Dab.

Dab, prehaps it would do you good to read my posts, as I did not say that the talks included the allowance of tourists and other types of personnel. So where you are getting that I have no clue, very likely out of thin air. Secondly if you read my posts you would see that I shown my understanding of how the BAF would get in to Edinburgh, for which you seem to have taken it that I have said that they will not go there full stop. I would ask of you to actually read things more than assuming things just for the sake of an arguement.

Lastly, I did not make an enemy with my roleplay with Freeport 10. Gallia has not responded further in that matter, their were options, like putting that the GRN cannot use the base to attack others as well as those that are wishing to attack Gallian's, yet it seems very clear that you only wished to ignore it as you have done to me in the past. Their were things laid for you guys, but what did you do, nothing, and now you are turning around saying what you have just said. And to my Gallic character, I made no insults and based my replies from letters of what I have seen from the past for which the Gallic roleplay is based upon. That meaning of reading letters between Nobles, for which I have seen much worse things then I gave in roleplay, for which did not even warrant the reply I was given.

I have done my research, I read your posts in great detail, and I can safely say by the manner of your replies that you do not read my posts in much detail.

It is of any wonder why I can manage to talk to you, when you miss things I have said and when you miss things you argue those cases when I have already mentioned them. Please next time when you read one of my posts, please actually read it fully a few times, note down what you think at that time with your gut instinct and then come back to it after a few hours or a day or two.


@jammi

Thank you very much for a well written post. Though it wasn't me whom did that roleplay, which was done to the best of my recollection last year (2010) during the summer period. For which I wasn't involved with OSC at that time. Of the top of my head I can only remember one person of note that I remember for OSC that was involved which was Coin.

Your explanation is fair and sound in many respects so in my view I do not really have any disagreement to that value of opinion, and sources of facts. (Bar me saying)

However, I would like to note to you that the last paragraph would be suffice better in the other thread as I have read from there that Dab has asked of suitable location suggestions there. Only mentioning that as it will be easier for others in the community to read it there if you catch my drift. I will however make a post there with a paste of your last paragraph and my thoughts on it in the next few days. (Will leave the pasting out, if you have already done it though)

Thank you for your time.

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[Dab]

Apparently my posts aren't clear enough already, so I'll try to make this as basic and simple as humanly possible.

Dab, prehaps it would do you good to read my posts, as I did not say that the talks included the allowance of tourists and other types of personnel. So where you are getting that I have no clue, very likely out of thin air.

A Luxury Liner conducts business dealing with persons, such as tourists. As Gallia has no desire for OS&C to be dealing in the trade of persons inside its territory, a Luxury Liner inside the warzone called Edinburgh, which is under Gallic control, would not be allowed to pry its trade; That being the transportation and serving of persons such as tourists. As Gallia doesn't permit OS&C to do this inside its territory, the Luxury Liner Shetland would have no business, no purpose in being in Edinburgh, and no income to pay its bills and necessities. Furthermore, as the Luxury Liner Shetland is a Libertonian corporation, Gallia has no desire for it to be in Gallia's borders at all, and thus would not allow the liner inside Edinburgh. Period.

Simplistic to god answer; Gallia doesn't want OS&C in its territory so it would kick OS&C out of Edinburgh.

Secondly if you read my posts you would see that I shown my understanding of how the BAF would get in to Edinburgh, for which you seem to have taken it that I have said that they will not go there full stop. I would ask of you to actually read things more than assuming things just for the sake of an arguement.

Could you reread your posts then? Because you kept saying that Edinburgh wouldn't be a battlefield, now you've done a complete 180 saying you even know how Bretonia would enter the system in order to fight. So which is it, are you saying they fight there, or they don't fight there?

Lastly, I did not make an enemy with my roleplay with Freeport 10.

If you'd like to talk to any of the other people involved, you'd find that we all do consider Freeport 10 to be an noncompliant and disrespectful station towards Gallia.

And to my Gallic character, I made no insults and based my replies from letters of what I have seen from the past for which the Gallic roleplay is based upon. That meaning of reading letters between Nobles, for which I have seen much worse things then I gave in roleplay, for which did not even warrant the reply I was given.

So you are saying that you didn't insult a single person in this thread? At all? Not a single insult directed towards anyone? I'm really curious about these letters between nobles you have read. Incredibly curious, since you claim to have based your post on what they wrote in those letters. You might not be able to see what about your posts constituted an insult, but I've spoken to more than enough people today about this that I can safely say it's fairly well-accepted that your posts are full of insults. You did the same thing with FP10. You also did the same with with OS&C's attempted Summit. That failed for the same reason the FP10 attempt failed, and the same reason this Gallic Junker attempt failed. Because you insult everyone you meet at every opportunity, and most of the time your insults don't even fit within the context of the discussion or what the person said. You've been told by quite a few community members that your behavior and what you write is not appropriate or polite, and everytime people say this to you, you just say they are wrong, they are idiots.

And calling someone an idiot is not criticism or feedback, in case there was any confusion on that. Especially since you called Enoch's character an idiot. I'm really curious to learn whether you consider calling someone an idiot to be an insult or not.

I have a question. Do you read your own posts as intently as you claim to read mine? Some of the things you post really do boggle my mind as to what could possibly be going through yours.

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[Skullz]

My mind boggles. Can you not realize that I made a post considering all possibilities, that in it self does not convey a definitive as you have taken.
I made no insults in roleplay during the Freeport 10 talks with you. I have no clue where you have got that idea from, other than taking personnal things to heart and thinking that they were roleplayed.

I made no insults before Enochs character claimed to do so. Implying one should re-educate oneself after confusing a tactic of terror with a tactic of war is no insult. It is critisism. If you fail to see, then, well, lol. I can't actually think of a word to describe that. One thing I know you can't even accept that either, by meaning you take critisism as an insult. Lighten up, your going to get that all the time. If you can't accept that, or Enoch then you are not going to get far in this life. I'm sorry, but it is really true. Sadly.

So you say that Edinburgh is in Gallic Control, that shows its un-contested. Therefor making it not a warzone. I'm not even going to bother showing any contradiction that you have made now. Why, because you just contradict yourself again and again and again. It's like you love contradicting yourself with me, erf, man. I've tried, obviously you just wish to be unreasonable with me as ever.

Grow up. Lighten up, get laid, whatever, I don't care anymore with you. You really show you just wanna hold things against me.

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[Gypsie Skripto]

Furthermore, as the Luxury Liner Shetland is a Libertonian corporation, Gallia has no desire for it to be in Gallia's borders at all, and thus would not allow the liner inside Edinburgh. Period.

So what? Baden Baden is a Planet run by OS&C and it is in the middle of Rheinland. Furthermore, we are applying on the Bret Parliament for Greyhound to be considered a Bret company. I know this would be the same for Gallia, I am just trying to point out that lore-wise and player RP based, considering OS&C to be a strictly Libertonian corporation is as wrong as considering Junkers to be a strictly Gallic group.

I am not saying with this that Shetland should be left in Edinburgh, because what Jammi said about it being a getaway for Bret VIPs is true, and they wouldnt like to be around when Gauls appear. What I am trying to say here is that OS&C's diplomacy is sometimes even more neutral than the one zoners benefit from. So you shouldn't base your arguments on that particular characteristic of the faction (being founded by a Libertonian billionaire).

Now I ask you to close this thread, because it has gone way out of topic and became flooded with personal issues. Further discussion about whether Shetland should be moved or not is to be done on the specific thread created for that topic on the General Mod Discussion Forum.

Thanks.

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[Taneru]

So what? Baden Baden is a Planet run by OS&C and it is in the middle of Rheinland.

Planets do not have engines, and cannot simply fly away.




Right. Rant time.

The Shetland is in Edinburgh because people want to see Planet Gaia. That is how it makes money. People come to the Shetland to have a nice vacation with the lovely view of Gaia through their windows, or whatever fancy science fiction version they have. Maybe even pad a few pockets with their cash to take a nice, not-so-legal stroll down on Gaia itself too.

Edinburgh will be a warzone in the next version of the mod. This is a significant escalation to the comparatively small raids which have been done by the Gaians in the past. People were evidently fine with risking the Gaian raids in vanilla and possibly onwards, as the BAF and BPA, along with some OSC security forces, seemed quite capable of ensuring the safety of most of those headed to the Shetland, otherwise it wouldn't still be operating.

Wars are different than pirate raiding, or enviro-terrorist raiding, rather.

People do not like being caught in the middle of wars.

Edinburgh WILL be a warzone.

People will not want to go to Edinburgh as a result.

The Shetland will stop making money as a result.

In order to continue making money, they would have to move to somewhere else that would let them continue to attract people and thus make money.

Thus the Shetland will be leaving Edinburgh.

It is that simple.

As Greyhound said, this thread has gone way too far into the personal issues section. Unless there's anything constructive happening later, I doubt Ill be back to this thread.

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Characters
Alan Markson: The Hellfire Legion's Lord Commander
The Perihelion: Freeport Four's guardian, and yet much more. Missing and assumed Lost with all hands.
Eric Dresmund: Junker, smuggler, thief. Last seen drunk on Beaumont
Vayrn Wyard: IMG Recon pilot turned Neo-Terran Captain. Last location unknown

[Linkus]

If you want, the Shetland could join the Armstrong with where it is in 4.86?

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[Gypsie Skripto]

Where is that Linkus?

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[Linkus]

Floating blissfully through space, in several thousand pieces.

Don't worry too much over the Shetland, the OSC won't be forgotten about or nerfed basically.

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