Sometimes it is better to post in an old thread, rather than start a new one, here is a prime example of that, the question is relevant to the original discussion, it can answered swiftly and efficiently and may even provoke more discussion, however here I feel the discussion is long past due. So for those of you who chose to spam like little children in order to raise your post count, I say this to you, don't do it again.
Saint Del is considered a holy healer of diseases of children, but also as a protector of cattle.