Zoner ID Issue/Improvement

[Zen_Mechanics]

Pirates shouldn't go up to a ship in space and be all "oh, please pay me money or I will blow you up", rather, they should pop up out of nowhere, board your ship, throw your crew out of the airlock, and run off with your ship and cargo. Who's going to report back to base about what happened to you when you're all dead?

Of course, this doesn't happen because it would make people's gaming experience suck.

If your Zoner is getting pirated and/or blown up all the time, you're doing something wrong. Most pirates who want to RP should be available to be hired as escorts, offered some kind of deal to let you go about your business, or otherwise convinced that pirating you is not their most profitable activity.

Most? i submit to you thats not the case.

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Were fools to make war on our brothers in arms.

[Zen_Mechanics]

You should tell that to beginners, and especaily to them as all of your points are valid to people who have been here for longer lengths of time, You should also tell the people who do these atrocoties and attack new people who are not quiet familliar with how things work here, mainly the corruption via skype.

Why beginners? Why do beginners have to chose an ID with a role which demands higher quality of roleplay than the average? Zoner ID shouldn't be the first choice of players, roleplaying one requires more knowledge of how things work here than what you can accumulate in mere weeks, but the problem is that this ID comes with a newbie-magnet shipline. Instead of trying to deform Zoner lore to your own liking, you should try to solve the actual issues of the ID.

@Thryluz, I thought you said that Indies have no real impact on diplomacy, Would you like me to qoute it for you? Wer'e talking about helping indies here, not factions who know full well that what they do gets back on them. So it's okay to ruin people's fun and then scratch our beards and wonder why this place is dying.

I would like you to quote the part in my earlier post in this thread referring to official, unofficial factions or indies in regards of the topic. Good luck, though I doubt that will be enough, as there were nothing such in my post, so I really have no clue why you brought up this faction topic now.

And you apparently fail to decode subtle hints, seems I need to be a bit more direct: I hereby ask you to address me on my actual name, write it properly or not at all. I hope I won't have to ask again.

That is not what being asked here, What is being asked here is to allow zoners to do something before that blade cutts off their heads - elementary, basic human reaction, and a right If i may add - And in no way should it be a violation of any kind. You show me a faction who is willing to stand by, butchered - flamed and damned both in-game and in-forums ( A faction of new people especaily ), threatened, reported and sanctioned - and are completely fine with it - and I'll stop writing right now, But I won't hold my breath, and I wish you luck trying to find one.

The problem is that you fail to see two important things. One is that what you ask you will definitely not get for free, "that's not what being asked here" is a poor way of discarding topics related to yours, like if you wouldn't even want to discuss nerfs, only gains, but you should know that a one-sided discussion is not a discussion, it's a monologue.

The other is that PewPewPew is not the only way to defend yourself, or rather, prevent any hostilities. Besides Nomads Zoners don't have any natural enemies, if you have managed to get somebody shoot you, oh well, good job. Maybe if you can't get out of trouble through words or by fleeing, Zoner ID is not for you.

Yes you are correct, but what many people here seem to advocate is that zoners have suspended their critical faculties and hypnotized themselves to believe that they are not capable of handling life-threatning situations without the need to talk and give a round of applause and aplogize and later on crushed.

So the only talking you can imagine is apologizing? Be a little bit more creative, please. After all, you've chosen the Zoner ID, haven't you?

What I'm advocating is the simple notion of real "Can defend himself/herself/itself" at any given situation. No, Not Attack at any given situation - Defend. And when you present your case to the judges, There shouldn't be any doubt that This particular zoner Did what he had to, because it was the logical thing to do - Because Evidence suggests that talking doesn't help in this case - and He had to resort to violence in order to protect himself. I'm sure I don't have to expand on this philosophy, because you would do it anyway - So this is not something new - But it is systematically ignored, And a lot of people are damaged and discouraged by this.

I'm pretty sure the Zoner ID allows self defense, and that is far from what you've asked in the OP. In case you actually asked for that, then the whole thread is redundant.

Then you should go and tell the admins of this year and the last year, and the year before that - that all of those people who started playing here and only acted in the defense of themselves and their buddies were right after all - And remove this too ; "They attacked us last night and they clearly wanted us dead, so we attacked them too " "No, You are a zoner - You can't shoot people just like that" But.. I've just presented you that they have attacked us last night, Are we supposed to let them go with this until they give us yet another reason to engage them - At which point they have the upper-hand at us?" Yes.

Remove that arguement as well.

There is a distinct difference between self-defense and revenge. Do I need to describe this difference to you?

But many people DO pick on them precisely because they have just started here - knowing fully well that they won't be caught - And what happends instead? The victim gets the blame. Like a criminal calling the police when the victims fight back. Is that justice in your view point? Ofcourse not! So if asking people to be welcoming and eased with new people would help, I would be doing just that - But That's not a realistic scenario - So passing allowances is the only solution to prevent it.

People who "just have started here" shouldn't pick the Zoner ID for reasons I stated earlier. But they do, thanks to a gunboat, a destroyer, a carrier, a juggernaut and a 5ker transport. And then should anybody suggest the removal of these, they are obviously zoner haters, aren't they?

There is no police on the edge of Sirius, where Zoners dwell, it's wild west, you are the authority if you have the bigger gun, if not, then not. Looking for justice there is futile. Lol, Nomads killing humans for being humans, is that justice out there?

Every role should be chosen with all the pros and cons kept in mind. Chosing who you roleplay is your responsibility, but then don't cry if you chose an underdog faction and get treated like an underdog. Chose an other role, and an other ID with that, if you don't like this one.

EDIT: Inb4 BonerBonerBoner lock.

All of that wall of text, I live on planet earth - where someone does something mean to you, oh like killing you - pay the same tribute - unless ofcourse that's not why freelancer was invented, shooting stuff. You don't live on planet earth because you always interpet things the way it suits you best and you can't talk plainly on things as a solid bullet proof fact.
Fact is, People abuse new people - Deny that? Deny the oxygen you inhale.
Plus, I am way up here when I'm being lectured about ethics from you. Don't insult me with your reasonings.

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Were fools to make war on our brothers in arms.

[t0l]

If a pirate pirates you, then hire mercs or something to kill him after you defend yourself.

If he pirates you again later, shoot him again.

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[Thyrzul]

All of that wall of text, I live on planet earth - where someone does something mean to you, oh like killing you - pay the same tribute - unless ofcourse that's not why freelancer was invented, shooting stuff.

You have plently of opportunities to shoot in this game designed for shooting. But why on earth do you insist doing so with the only one of the over hundred IDs which is not designed for shooting?

You don't live on planet earth because you always interpet things the way it suits you best and you can't talk plainly on things as a solid bullet proof fact.

So, am I an alien now because I disagree with you? Or a martian maybe?

Deny the oxygen you inhale.

Wha... wow. Just wow...

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[Zen_Mechanics]

All of that wall of text, I live on planet earth - where someone does something mean to you, oh like killing you - pay the same tribute - unless ofcourse that's not why freelancer was invented, shooting stuff.

You have plently of opportunities to shoot in this game designed for shooting. But why on earth do you insist doing so with the only one of the over hundred IDs which is not designed for shooting?

You don't live on planet earth because you always interpet things the way it suits you best and you can't talk plainly on things as a solid bullet proof fact.

So, am I an alien now because I disagree with you? Or a martian maybe?

Deny the oxygen you inhale.

Wha... wow. Just wow...

No, You don't disagree - you are talking pure none sense while distoring everything in your path, like a black hole - You latch on everything trying to manipulate context in disgusting ways, a human travesty by all accounts, No sir, You don't belong in a normal conversation - And that I put as nicely as I can. For you, what's true is incorrect, A true progressive you are.

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Were fools to make war on our brothers in arms.

[Zen_Mechanics]

Oh and please close this thread. Thanks

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Were fools to make war on our brothers in arms.

[Thyrzul]

Yeah, thanks me too.

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[Connor]

Yeah, this isn't going anywhere productive. Thread locked

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