Freeport 9 and Yaren

[Curios]

I don't expect that the Corsairs would lose the base because of the attack...
Just that the base did get damaged ,the destroy or damaged part is to each his own.
But the point was about them not being there so they ignore it...(damage part)

Even if they where not there it did happen.
I don't care if they report that only one defense turret was damaged or the whole base was blown up.
Just the fact remains it happend.

Since there are open fights between Order indies and Corsairs we can consider that attack had a place but damage was not that serious but enough to make Corsairs shooting on order ships that getting too close to their borders.

Also as a solution i see freeport 9 to be turned into just Port under Corsair protectorate or smth. Could be created a new reputation (Ruling right are at Corsair Council hands) for that base that will be something like:

autoset to friendly:

Corsair ID
Corsair Guard ID
Hogosha ID
Hogosha Guard ID
Farmer Alliance ID
Farmer Alliance Guard ID
Samura ID
Samura Guard ID
Gaian ID
Gaian Guard ID
Zoner ID
Zoner Guard ID

autoset to neutral:

Other IDs
BHG Core ID
Order ID

autoset to hostile:

Hessian ID
Hessian Guard ID
BHG ID
Outcast ID
Outcast Guard ID
Order Guard ID
<All Houses> Military Guard IDs

So, It'll be like freeport but corsairs are watching who are docking there and so on. So this will prevent Capital ships and unwanted elements to dock so close to Corsar homeland. Also there will be still a free base for the rest of teh world.

But meh.

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[Enojado]

So tell me Joe, how would it be if The Zoners had just chosen to ignore the corsair attack fully and just went about their own business? That is completely possible......

Then any corsairs claiming they defeated the zoners and damaged their base would have no case just like those goons that shot Java upon absence of the raiding party.

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[McNeo]

Lets make it clear here.

As far as I can see, the reasons why the Zoners roleplayed that the biodomes of Freeport 9 (and Freeport XV??) have been destroyed is because they thought it was the Corsairs primary objective and that those bases would be rendered useless without them. This was a silly assumption on their part, if the reason identified is the true reason. I am not about to believe that people on this server are roleplaying that something bad happened to them unless they think that they have something to gain from it. Of course, being a Brit, I am a cynic.

We have nothing to gain from losing or suffering damage to Yaren depot as a result of an attack by order indies when we weren't even there. Sure, I've no problems if we defended in full force and lost, with RPing Yaren as heavily damaged, but that's not what happened now was it? Folks, our lives are only in this game for a few hours a day for the more dedicated amongst us. God forbid, if FL were actually the real world, the result of the last few days would've been very different. In fact, if FL were real, this entire debacle wouldn't have happened because the mistakes that have been made by both sides probably wouldn't have been made.

[Rodent]

As far as I can see, the reasons why the Zoners roleplayed that the biodomes of Freeport 9 (and Freeport XV??) have been destroyed is because they thought it was the Corsairs primary objective and that those bases would be rendered useless without them. This was a silly assumption on their part, if the reason identified is the true reason. I am not about to believe that people on this server are roleplaying that something bad happened to them unless they think that they have something to gain from it. Of course, being a Brit, I am a cynic.

Pah Connor, If they wanted to (and had reason to, considering all the OOC crap going on), they could have just ignored every single attack of yours and RP'd Freeport 9 as 'holding against all odds'. Them RP'ing a loss, is considered by me to be quite sporting on their part. In most cases, any mention of a loss from any side goes down in the righteous fires of hell....

We have nothing to gain from losing or suffering damage to Yaren depot as a result of an attack by order indies when we weren't even there. Sure, I've no problems if we defended in full force and lost, with RPing Yaren as heavily damaged, but that's not what happened now was it? Folks, our lives are only in this game for a few hours a day for the more dedicated amongst us. God forbid, if FL were actually the real world, the result of the last few days would've been very different. In fact, if FL were real, this entire debacle wouldn't have happened because the mistakes that have been made by both sides probably wouldn't have been made.

That is entirely correct. Now then, I am curious, should we really allow Players to guide Faction RPs? This is the first time in a while I have seen it happen on this large a scale, and as everyone can make it out, it turned out to be a bloody mess. Should we not leave all faction RP movements up to the Dev team to decide, with faction leaders putting in input from time to time?

This is the way most changes happen on this server at any rate, and there is less Q_Q about it. Also, it also makes more bloody sense if Freeport 9 is actually gone rather than just sitting there in game for all to look at. Living in the past much?

[lukasz_r128a]

To be honest I don't see a reason about RPing destroying Yaren base. This bombardment was a simply, foolish happytrigering :]. Yes I was there and I was shooting to Yaren too. The only reason that we now talking about it is that few guys decided that they need to show their presence on GC. So leave that case it don;t have to much sense to me...Of course if Elders of Corsairs will decaide to play this RP. well me as a TOP leader will play with them. Of course we are ready to take RP consequences, punishment and whatever you will figure out.
Oh and about XTF presence in battles between Sairs and Zoners...Don't know like other OC factions, but XTF don't have any agreement and alliance with Zoners and especcialy with GMG... Let's say that XTF is only making a use from opportunity to make some damages to our enemies...

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[McNeo]

Pah Connor, If they wanted to (and had reason to, considering all the OOC crap going on), they could have just ignored every single attack of yours and RP'd Freeport 9 as 'holding against all odds'. Them RP'ing a loss, is considered by me to be quite sporting on their part. In most cases, any mention of a loss from any side goes down in the righteous fires of hell....

They could've done so. We werent directly shelling the Freeport, why would we? The entire point is to coerce the Zoners into an agreement that they wouldn't have under normal circumstances agreed to (normal circumstances being 804 AS). Additionally, any damage to the Freeport has not been caused by Corsair attacks, but by Zoner sabotage of their own station, with the assumption that we would try to take over Freeport 9 with the domes as the primary objective. Plainly this has not happened, because it was a misinterpretation of our objectives.

We can only take bases with the consent of the faction on the 'losing' side. This applies to any and all conflicts including players in the development process. Igiss decides on other larger wars, like Stoke station which doesn't involve players at all, and caused the BAF to complain quite a bit in the past, since back then they were completely dominating the KNF in the weekly events.

I'm not sure exactly how you want us to react to this. In fact, you may have seen that we've reacted very little to the news that FPs have had their domes blown off, because we would have simply settled for a new base in a strategically commanding position.

[Exsiled_one]

20 million in game credits to whoever nicely lists me all the names of the people who argued here that "roleplay is roleplay" and no matter if it's not agreed upon or arranged before the conflict starts - the results of the conflict should still apply.

because, if we'll roleplay like that I'd like to hand over all Corsair bases to BHG, since yanno, they used to sit in Gamma and fire on tripoli out of sheer boredom when no Corsairs flew around.

I respect all living beings, I just do not want to actually participate in this topic, but the posts people make here, makes it easy for me to see who can rp with me and who should I offer help, or simply avoid.

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