I would like you to tell me what part of the Kusari /Junker thing was caused by lolwut indies? Because I dont see any, unless you count the Emperor of Kusari as a lolwut indy (place your funny jokes here.)
I think this is another perfect example, a perfect example of Indies being blamed for things that they have no part of, and nothing to do with. I can promise, factions cause so many more problems than indies ever will. But that makes sense doesnt it? Faction players have a higher density, because they usually play in groups, Independent players are just one, so by following logic, it makes sense that faction players cause more problems, and I think it's true. Either way, I think we should try not to label people indy or faction, and just judge them on thier actions. Stop forming these preconceived notions about someone based on whether they have a tag in from of thier ship name and what it is.
And Bindo while you talk about the so called crazy diplomacies these indies set up, you ignore things like the Corsair/BHG non-agression pact, or the conflict betweent the Corsairs and the Zoners (as much as people want to blame the [A] if the elders had told them to stop, they would have) the famous CR/Outcast peace treaty, the Molly BAF cease fire. All of these things are silly, and have been pushed forward by factions, and integrated into the game. Yea sure, Indies are the ones causing diplomacy problems.
I think some opinions about other players voiced here are really disrespectful. I'll leave. I miss the benevolent tone that tries to unify different players of the same game.
' Wrote:I would like you to tell me what part of the Kusari /Junker thing was caused by lolwut indies? Because I dont see any, unless you count the Emperor of Kusari as a lolwut indy (place your funny jokes here.)
I think this is another perfect example, a perfect example of Indies being blamed for things that they have no part of, and nothing to do with. I can promise, factions cause so many more problems than indies ever will. But that makes sense doesnt it? Faction players have a higher density, because they usually play in groups, Independent players are just one, so by following logic, it makes sense that faction players cause more problems, and I think it's true. Either way, I think we should try not to label people indy or faction, and just judge them on thier actions. Stop forming these preconceived notions about someone based on whether they have a tag in from of thier ship name and what it is.
And Bindo while you talk about the so called crazy diplomacies these indies set up, you ignore things like the Corsair/BHG non-agression pact, or the conflict betweent the Corsairs and the Zoners (as much as people want to blame the [A] if the elders had told them to stop, they would have) the famous CR/Outcast peace treaty, the Molly BAF cease fire. All of these things are silly, and have been pushed forward by factions, and integrated into the game. Yea sure, Indies are the ones causing diplomacy problems.
I think there may be misunderstanding due to differences in the definitions of the terms "lolwhut" and "indy".
Some people say "lolwhutt" to people who simply dont know all rules by heart yet.
Others say "lolwhutt" to people who may know all the rules by heart, but who play with a sense of not caring, ignorance, and disrespect towards their fellow players, or to people who are generally unpleasant.
Some might consider anyone who isnt in the official NPC faction an indy, some restrict the word to anyone who doesnt have some sort of tag in his name, like [A], or not yet approved faction tags like KPT, for example.
' Wrote:I would like you to tell me what part of the Kusari /Junker thing was caused by lolwut indies? Because I dont see any, unless you count the Emperor of Kusari as a lolwut indy (place your funny jokes here.)
Not the current situation with the KPT, but way back when, when the KNF got angry about indie junkers pirating in Kusari and took it out on the Congress.
Ya know, part of the reason the part about "Junkers cannot pirate in House space" was added to the Junker ID.
' Wrote:I think this is another perfect example, a perfect example of Indies being blamed for things that they have no part of, and nothing to do with. I can promise, factions cause so many more problems than indies ever will. But that makes sense doesnt it? Faction players have a higher density, because they usually play in groups, Independent players are just one, so by following logic, it makes sense that faction players cause more problems, and I think it's true. Either way, I think we should try not to label people indy or faction, and just judge them on thier actions. Stop forming these preconceived notions about someone based on whether they have a tag in from of thier ship name and what it is.
I judge people by whether or not they can spell Johnny or Assault or Pirate properly, and their use of numbers. Don't knock it, it's a perfectly acceptable method. Johny_Pierate5> CLEARLY cannot be trusted to not immediately shoot me after loling at the Navy.
' Wrote:And Bindo while you talk about the so called crazy diplomacies these indies set up, you ignore things like the Corsair/BHG non-agression pact, or the conflict betweent the Corsairs and the Zoners (as much as people want to blame the [A] if the elders had told them to stop, they would have) the famous CR/Outcast peace treaty, the Molly BAF cease fire. All of these things are silly, and have been pushed forward by factions, and integrated into the game. Yea sure, Indies are the ones causing diplomacy problems.
None of those peace/ceasefires get in the way of indies shooting, and yes, they are all quite silly. However, indies causing war gets in the way of peace, specially when people blame it on the factions.
' Wrote:Just out of curiousity...
How did you become emperor of Kusari?
Cuse he's been here a long time.
But yeah, i would also like to know that, not beacuse i'm questioning your legitimacy, but beacuse perhaps i could learn something to use when it comes time top overthrow the Council of Cor-nevermind.
:cool:
gone four years, first day back: Zoners still getting shot in Theta :|
I've never seen factions mistreat or harass indies that actually didnt do anything stupid (like destroying traders in a dreadnought or running around systems yelling "omg lol").
Point is though, that if a group of indies is formed, and some of the people from that group do stupid things (say 4 out of 10 people), they will be looked at more closely (or perhaps even automatically labelled as lolwuts). But, like I said, I havent seen things like that happen without a cause.
' Wrote:P.S.: BAF official players are not to blame, they treat indies as equals unlike others
I had been running the AFA for about 2 years, and was a member of the Kusari government, at which point I talked to the rest of the Kusari government (AKA the Kusari lawful and semi-lawful faction leaders) and asked them if they thought someone actually rping the Emperor was a good idea, and if they thought it was a good idea for me to rp it. Everyone seemed to think it was a decent idea so we went with it. My position is sorta like a social contract, I lead, but only as long as the people I am leading want me to lead them. My authority comes from the faction leaders support, and the players who want to push the rp along. I have no real power in terms of rules or anything like that.
But it should be clear, the Emperor is an indy, and I have always felt very strongly about it. I guess he is a lolwut.
' Wrote:I had been running the AFA for about 2 years, and was a member of the Kusari government, at which point I talked to the rest of the Kusari government (AKA the Kusari lawful and semi-lawful faction leaders) and asked them if they thought someone actually rping the Emperor was a good idea, and if they thought it was a good idea for me to rp it. Everyone seemed to think it was a decent idea so we went with it. My position is sorta like a social contract, I lead, but only as long as the people I am leading want me to lead them. My authority comes from the faction leaders support, and the players who want to push the rp along. I have no real power in terms of rules or anything like that.
But it should be clear, the Emperor is an indy, and I have always felt very strongly about it. I guess he is a lolwut.
A while ago, while we were talking about the anti-junker crussade, and I called the kusari presence in sigma 13 (aswell as the multiple bounties) excessive and opressive use of force that does not happen in RP canon, and likened it to sieges of pirate bases like buffalo or the rogue destroyer in New YOrk, which are frowned on in general, you said that here it is ok because you are the emperor of Kusari and you say its ok.
So if you dont have any real power per rules, what makes it ok then, and any different from 20 lolwhuts camping Buffalo, because a pirate led them there?
At least as far as I'm concerned (And usually CR/IMG as a result) - His perpetually guilty majesty Jien Kogen "The Uptight" is the first guy to call in case of any Kusari diplo.
On a side note, it doesn't matter in THIS particular case whether he's an indie or not - the character is forum-based and has littleneed for showing up ingame.
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