SRP discussion!

[The Joker]

I find it pretty damn understandable that Admins don't have time for SRP. Try finding time for RL, time for being FL Disco Admin and time for playing the game.


Solution:
- Form an independent committee made out of 10 members of Discovery whom we will all choose in a simple poll. Let the committee take full responsibility. Results: SRP open.
- As I've suggested before, make that every applicant can apply for SRP only ONCE every 3 months. Results: not too much RP material to read, not too many decisions to make on who is bigger priority.
- Committee can approve SRP only ONCE a month. Results: not too many "special" people flying around, community happy.



Despite that the idea above might sound really reasonable, I'll ask you this: why do we need SRP?

So that people who get approved don't use their special chars like the majority before? Lets be real. We seldom see those who got approved.

You all want this so much but 90% of all of you would stop frequently (or permanently) playing that char in a month or two. <strike>Keyword is "frequently". And "permanently", hell yes.</strike>

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[Marrone]

but that is a greater problem as a whole - much of the communities "conspiracy theories" which run deeper than joking about might suggest - originate from the lack of transparency. - it happens in many communities.... and once rumor turns solid - things become troublesome.

I just want to clarify that this is real, as I am an avid consipirator to the CotH RP server on WoW. They tend to "never disagree" and instead argue behind closed doors until they find an opinion which reflects the whole GM team, which effectively makes the team seem like their opinions are never contriversal. That's not happening here (freeport 1 incident as a good example) so I don't think we're in trouble in this department for a while, but making things more transparent will definately put us in the opposite direction of any risk.

I think this lack of SRP's is necessary for a limited amount of time; when the administrative team feels like the community is ready for the privlidge, they'll allow it, I don't doubt that at all. Problem is, if we don't start shaping up, it might just never happen! Keep a positive attitude about it, though, be mature and understanding and I promise that SRP will come back if that's what we really want.

But doesnt just not having SRP's make that issue moot?

It's clear SRP is something that plenty of people were interested in; you can't make it go away by taking it away. It's still here in our minds, and it's still something that can enhance the experience of the server if done correctly. That in mind, you know as well as I do that it's a privlidge, not a requirement!

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[Primitive]

1. Obviously not having SRP's is making people unhappy. Even if I'm not fan of it, I don't object them on any level, I can just see how hard is to maintain the process.

2. If people would actually care about RP to a certain degree on this server we could make tech chart completely white (excluding impossible things...because some things are just idiotic) we could develop an system such as, factions deciding does the person with a good RP story (that is concerning their technology) deserves to have one. Unfortunately, skype would take over, and people would want OP ships which server is trying to avoid for couple of mods now.

3. People's opinion is subjective. One person can make a badass story, I might love it so much that I could read a book about it, while someone who is deciding with me about the future of that character might hate it. It is impossible to be objective.

4. Since so much people want SRP's it is obvious it will have to come to a change at some point (things making people unhappy while playing video game is...sad).

5. If those same people who wanted to get SRP so much get rejected, there will be bad blood. And feelings will be hurt.

6. If those same people who want to get SRP would spend half time they talk about SRP's with ideas (they don't have to be good ones, but every idea is contributing to final goal) how to make a system that "could" work, we would be pretty closer to solution.

7. Life is unfair, get used to it.

8. You're in huge galaxy, be happy you made it from planet/station to space. That makes you pretty unique and special when you imagine how much population does Sirius have.

9. Some stories make sense in your head, while they would be impossible in "gaming reality".

10. Don't have unprotected sex, unless its with a girl.

[Zelot]

I find it pretty damn understandable that Admins don't have time for SRP. Try finding time for RL, time for being FL Disco Admin and time for playing the game.


Solution:
- Form an independent committee made out of 10 members of Discovery whom we will all choose in a simple poll. Let the committee take full responsibility. Results: SRP open.
- As I've suggested before, make that every applicant can apply for SRP only ONCE every 3 months. Results: not too much RP material to read, not too many decisions to make on who is bigger priority.
- Committee can approve SRP only ONCE a month. Results: not too many "special" people flying around, community happy.



Despite that the idea above might sound really reasonable, I'll ask you this: why do we need SRP?

So that people who get approved don't use their special chars like the majority before? Lets be real. We seldom see those who got approved.

You all want this so much but 90% of all of you would stop frequently (or permanently) playing that char in a month or two. Keyword is "frequently". And "permanently", hell yes.

There is something to that idea Jokesey. I know from first hand experience that special stuff attracts much more attention, both in rp and oorp. Lets take the Hessian defecting to the Order example again, Generally, if anyone sees that ship in action, there will be significant consequences for the Order. The people who fly them also tend to have people looking to get them. Why? Because everyone wants to take down the special ship. I am very very very careful with the Emperor's Yacht. I generally don't go out without a heavy escort, because everyone is looking to get me. Monstar always got ganked. I think you will find that many people who have had SRP find keeping them up to be very frustrating because all anyone wants to do is blow you up, rp goes out the window, and thats not really fun for the person trying to develop a character they have put alot of time and effort into.

It's clear SRP is something that plenty of people were interested in; you can't make it go away by taking it away. It's still here in our minds, and it's still something that can enhance the experience of the server if done correctly. That in mind, you know as well as I do that it's a privlidge, not a requirement!

I was referring to the issue of transparency that Jinx referred to in his post.

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[The Joker]

There is something to that idea Jokesey. I know from first hand experience that special stuff attracts much more attention, both in rp and oorp. Lets take the Hessian defecting to the Order example again, Generally, if anyone sees that ship in action, there will be significant consequences for the Order. The people who fly them also tend to have people looking to get them. Why? Because everyone wants to take down the special ship.

When I started playing back then, Monstar was to me, unlike to those who only wanted to shoot him, a person to RP with and that's it. Maybe it was just 'cause I was new and all that so I was amazed by his presence. He use to hang out with his slave or something, preaching of doom etc. Really, really too bad he's not around.

Yes, rare are the people who'd track down a special ship only to role-play. So true. Witnessed it happening to Tundra as well.

I am very very very careful with the Emperor's Yacht. I generally don't go out without a heavy escort, because everyone is looking to get me. Monstar always got ganked. I think you will find that many people who have had SRP find keeping them up to be very frustrating because all anyone wants to do is blow you up, rp goes out the window, and thats not really fun for the person trying to develop a character they have put alot of time and effort into.

Don't let others spoil your fun. If I were you, I'd use that Yacht more frequently if not all the time! Call the Joker, we'll get ganked together. Just stick near the sun like I do and receive bunch of lovely PMs later:)

No matter what, statistic stay the same. Maybe you're not one of them but the majority don't use their cool chars. Period. And I find that like an insult to those who'd play their approved characters any chance they get.

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[Snoozzzer]

So that people who get approved don't use their special chars like the majority before? Lets be real. We seldom see those who got approved.

You all want this so much but 90% of all of you would stop frequently (or permanently) playing that char in a month or two. <strike>Keyword is "frequently". And "permanently", hell yes.</strike> [/b]

[font=Comic Sans Ms]But they did get approved. Dab gets his terrorist carrier by talking to him / herself, Jameson gets his alternative guns by posting his character bio, Akura gets Outcast and Nomad guns from a single outcast drone, Dusty gets Sabres with Black Widows by again, roleplaying with himself. And Enchee recieved the covetted Titan - Kraken combo from again, a bio.

Doesn't matter if in the end, the ships aren't used. What does matter is that these folk and many others received their shiny stuff, and others cannot ever have that chance. Denying us and allowing them freedom to roleplay their thing, with the sole reason being "They got there first" is bull****.

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[The Joker]

[font=Comic Sans Ms]But they did get approved. Dab gets his terrorist carrier by talking to him / herself, Jameson gets his alternative guns by posting his character bio, Akura gets Outcast and Nomad guns from a single outcast drone, Dusty gets Sabres with Black Widows by again, roleplaying with himself. And Enchee recieved the covetted Titan - Kraken combo from again, a bio.

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Well, that I did not know.

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[n00bl3t]

But doesnt just not having SRP's make that issue moot?

[font=Comic Sans Ms]But they did get approved. Dab gets his terrorist carrier by talking to him / herself, Jameson gets his alternative guns by posting his character bio, Akura gets Outcast and Nomad guns from a single outcast drone, Dusty gets Sabres with Black Widows by again, roleplaying with himself. And Enchee recieved the covetted Titan - Kraken combo from again, a bio.

Doesn't matter if in the end, the ships aren't used. What does matter is that these folk and many others received their shiny stuff, and others cannot ever have that chance. Denying us and allowing them freedom to roleplay their thing, with the sole reason being "They got there first" is bull****.

These two posts seem to be related.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Bazza]

[color=#FFFFFF]My ears are burning...

I generally don't go out without a heavy escort, because everyone is looking to get me. Monstar always got ganked. I think you will find that many people who have had SRP find keeping them up to be very frustrating because all anyone wants to do is blow you up, rp goes out the window, and thats not really fun for the person trying to develop a character they have put alot of time and effort into.
I was referring to the issue of transparency that Jinx referred to in his post.

I'll have to butt in here and say that I disagree.

Flying the Maelstrom has given me some of the best quality interactions I've had in my time on disco. I often totally forget that it's a unique SRP ship and feel as if it's just become "part of the scenery". Excluding dying in friendlies the ship has gone down less than a half dozen times since its inception - and even then all of those were caused by grudges beset by the character - not because the Maelstrom was special.

I think if anything the Spec Ops ID infers to people I can handle and play my role fluently and it affects what their initial reaction might have been if they saw just another idiot in a Scylla.:)

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[JIVA]

"But doesnt just not having SRP's make that issue moot?" (Zelot)

reply with delay....

yes and no..... - if the admin team had decided to revise all approved SRPs and ask those "special"people to please revert to the original state of things... yes

and also if there were no factions who demand special treatment. - flying ships and combinations that is red to the public.

but since that has not happened - special permissions are still done - just not via SRP requests... and people with special equipment still roam around... all we have created is a double standard.

edit:

also... if an independent commitee was created, it would need to consist of players who want to do the job - contrary to "get into the job". - happens too often that a team is created - and its members... having reached peak responsibility .... simply vanish. ( similar to special RPs... you put a lot of efford into getting there... but maintaining it is a different thing )

in general - i think that SRPs should be open... but then i also think that instead of a tech chart - we should go "red cell" for all.

i also think that SRPs should always and only be given out on an individual basis... NEVER to entire factions, parts of factions or anything like that.

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