Bombers VS Capital Ships, Balance Needed

[Pilip]

Just to avoid any useless attack on me, I don't use missiles. Bombers in my opinion should not be able to kill battleships, but cripple it they may well can. Bombers are too op and the gap with them and battleships is stupid. Anyone that inrp has a battleship should know that two peaty bombers areno match, but then again.. They are. Either iintroduce new anti-bomber weapons to battleships, or nerf bombers drastically, this includes snac. You may begin the hate

And what happens to factions that do not have capital ships? Are we screwed? Should I just slap a sign on my forehead saying "Please send all capitals at me I can't do anything to you"

Oh, and if you think going out on a battleship without any sort of escort and/or allies readily available nearby should the excrement hit the oscillating blades is smart, you deserve to die to bombers.

Wow, here is a innocent question: Do You mean that if i am the only imature enough from my friends, or neighbours, or coleagues..or whatever... to spend hours on a Game like freelancer (Unlike You i think), than this is what u think---allies readily available nearby should the excrement hit the oscillating blades is smart, you deserve to die to bombers.---? and if there would be 40 let's not say more from the old 86 player list at peak hours in weekend, like me now here, are You saying that they should leave Disco or Else definetly and with no choice they should accept the no beard ever kids on skype? And that if these Numbers dont accept that company than they should leave disco you say? haha well trooper in that case keep advertising and promote disco on those Limited ways as much as you want be cause even if Some new noobs as you like to welcome them outloud will try and log here You Say thet they should leave !! and that be cause you want to have 1vs1 with a cruiser while flying a bee!! yeah twisted turned as you do since when...but the picture is still this....

[Pilip]

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Just to avoid any useless attack on me, I don't use missiles. Bombers in my opinion should not be able to kill battleships, but cripple it they may well can. Bombers are too op and the gap with them and battleships is stupid. Anyone that inrp has a battleship should know that two peaty bombers areno match, but then again.. They are. Either iintroduce new anti-bomber weapons to battleships, or nerf bombers drastically, this includes snac. You may begin the hate

And what happens to factions that do not have capital ships? Are we screwed? Should I just slap a sign on my forehead saying "Please send all capitals at me I can't do anything to you"

Oh, and if you think going out on a battleship without any sort of escort and/or allies readily available nearby should the excrement hit the oscillating blades is smart, you deserve to die to bombers.

Wow, here is a innocent question: Do You mean that if i am the only imature enough from my friends, or neighbours..or whatever... to spend hours on a Game like freelancer (Unlike You i think), than this is what u think---allies readily available nearby should the excrement hit the oscillating blades is smart, you deserve to die to bombers.? and if there would be 40 let's not say more from the old 86 player list at peak hours in weekend like me now here, are You saying that they should leave or Else definetly and with no choice they should accept the no beard ever kids on skype? And that if these Numbers dont accept that company than they should leave disco you say? haha well trooper in that case keep advertising and promote disco on those Limited ways as much as you want be cause even if Some new noobs as you like to welcome them outloud will try and log here You Say thet they should leave !! and that be cause you want to have 1vs1 with a cruiser while flying a bee!! yeah twisted turned as you do since when...but the picture is still this....

[Jack_Henderson]

The bomber class has always been very strong.
The SNAC does massive damage against caps and instakills fighters.
Especially the bombers with small models and decent agility are impossible to down by caps themselves or by their fighter/bomber escort before the fat target blows up.

So yes, there is a problem.
Yes, it lies with the bomber class.
Is the Snac the problem?
No.

The real problem in my opinion: the insane survivability of the small bombers that allows them to pretty much ignore incoming snub fire and keep Nova-ing/Snaccing that target.

Bombers are too tough, especially when facing their Nemesis, which should be fighters.

But to those who complain now: It has already become a lot better. You can neutralise bombers pretty well now (compared to the last versions). I only say... subtargetting... missiles.... do it. No thruster? Dead. No Snac? Useless.

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[Evo]

Since when does flying battleships solo being stupid equal me thinking or saying they should quit the game?

I do believe you should take a step back. I understand what you're trying to say but battleships are by no means a solo ship to fly. You have no cruise disruptor, for one.

You want to fly a cap solo? Use a cruiser. Those have to be SNAC'd normally unless you fly with the grace of a drunken infant, which equals bombers needing to get closer to hit you.

EDIT: And yes Jack, fighters are in even greater of a position to eat bombers now. Hence why this thread is especially annoying me. Maybe what should be done is having light bombers use weakened weapons?

But then that also raises the issue, what happens to the factions that do not have heavy bombers or would not use anything but their own? For example, Kusari factions being famous for not really liking outsiders. Why should they be forced into using non-Kusarian tech and giving up their values? I certainly wouldn't want to be caught dead in a Waran if I was an engaijin Kusarian.

Perhaps then all bombers should be made heavier?

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[Lythrilux]

The bomber class has always been very strong.
The SNAC does massive damage against caps and instakills fighters.
Especially the bombers with small models and decent agility are impossible to down by caps themselves or by their fighter/bomber escort before the fat target blows up.

So yes, there is a problem.
Yes, it lies with the bomber class.
Is the Snac the problem?
No.

The real problem in my opinion: the insane survivability of the small bombers that allows them to pretty much ignore incoming snub fire and keep Nova-ing/Snaccing that target.

Bombers are too tough, especially when facing their Nemesis, which should be fighters.

But to those who complain now: It has already become a lot better. You can neutralise bombers pretty well now (compared to the last versions). I only say... subtargetting... missiles.... do it. No thruster? Dead. No Snac? Useless.

Wrong, SNACing snubs is extremely difficult now because the way SNACs are aimed was changed.
Medium bombers are also kinda useless now too.

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[Crossroads]

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[Evo]

The bomber class has always been very strong.
The SNAC does massive damage against caps and instakills fighters.
Especially the bombers with small models and decent agility are impossible to down by caps themselves or by their fighter/bomber escort before the fat target blows up.

So yes, there is a problem.
Yes, it lies with the bomber class.
Is the Snac the problem?
No.

The real problem in my opinion: the insane survivability of the small bombers that allows them to pretty much ignore incoming snub fire and keep Nova-ing/Snaccing that target.

Bombers are too tough, especially when facing their Nemesis, which should be fighters.

But to those who complain now: It has already become a lot better. You can neutralise bombers pretty well now (compared to the last versions). I only say... subtargetting... missiles.... do it. No thruster? Dead. No Snac? Useless.

Wrong, SNACing snubs is extremely difficult now because the way SNACs are aimed was changed.
Medium bombers are also kinda useless now too.

Uh.. correct me if I'm wrong Jack but I believe Jack was talking about snac'ing caps and such while being shot at by snubs.

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[Pilip]

Since when does flying battleships solo being stupid equal me thinking or saying they should quit the game?

I do believe you should take a step back. I understand what you're trying to say but battleships are by no means a solo ship to fly. You have no cruise disruptor, for one.

You want to fly a cap solo? Use a cruiser. Those have to be SNAC'd normally unless you fly with the grace of a drunken infant, which equals bombers needing to get closer to hit you.

Skill u say? funny i dont see you mentioning ''targeting multiple White Dots instead of multiple Red cross (thing for which i saw too many here struggling to achieve,IDs, know anyone?) and by the way did you say many vanilla Xenos cruisers going against LSCs? nope, none; and caps Solo to fly? yes they are you only have to put some requirements there

[Jack_Henderson]

Uh.. correct me if I'm wrong Jack but I believe Jack was talking about snac'ing caps and such while being shot at by snubs.

Ye. Someone did not read my post, caught a catchy phrase and answered.

Perhaps then all bombers should be made heavier?

I would like that. IMG owns a heavy bomber and it is a cap-eater, but it dies fast when focussed on by fighters. It cannot dodge well enough to avoid fire. Same for the new Waran. Easy to hit. Many bots. Can stay in the fight for a while but can be forced out of it because it takes constant damage.

Small bombers are nothing but annoying, imo. For everybody involved.
For caps, bc unhittable.
For escorting snubs, bc unhitable while they trash the heavy target
For the pilot himself, bc the powercore is so crappy
For snubs directly fighting the small bomber bc snac-aces in these win against (me every time) VHF/HF if you make one mistake.

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[Yber]

If you don't see how stupid it is to have a game with huge imposing, intimidating capital ships manned by hundreds of capable trained people, designed for planetary conquests, space exploration and glorious battles, that die when atacked by two puny ships with one cannon each. Then there is no cure for you, sorry.

^Such capable and rare crew is achieved by every idiot whose language capabilities are to be in doubt.

gg.

Bombers do pretty badly against caps. They should in fact have a major buff energy wise, while keeping the same snac firing ratio (eg light bomber firing 1 snac only before the energy is fully up again) so that EMP and novas can be fired more often.

Battleships are easy to use. You can commit all of the mistakes that you want when fighting smaller classes, but they cannot.

You can't seem to understand that a noob only comes here to pilot a battleship and he grinds a month for it. He then dies in 5 minutes to two snac bombers and leaves for good.

As every other game you need to learn. OH MY GOD MY 1 MONTH OF WORK (dirty lie, more like 8 hours of powertrading if you also want an expensive cau) DOESN'T MEAN THAT I AUTOWIN.

Easy, close everything above gunboats for roleplayed requests. People tend to try to get the biggest thing they can when they start playing.

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inb4 Sirius gets renamed to XTF.