' Wrote:Xoria is not an Admin, ergo that statement is an opinion from a player.. You have the Sigmas, the Taus, The Omegas and Omicrons. Also the bits between the Houses, so Galileo, Magellan, Cortez, Hudson, Bering and Kepler.
And Alberta, Yukon, Inverness, Kansas, Humboldt, Coronado, right? Sometimes player opinions are right on.
I believe that the need to use out-of-game resources to determine if you are actually commiting a rule violation should be minimized.
Therefore I will suggest the change of system infocards to the development team.
Also Minnesota and the run down to Braunschweig, Chester, there's a few others, I'll haul em out and give a full list later.
Also if piracy starts outside of House Space and gets dragged into House space, it's not a violation. If a transport attacks you in House space, then it's not a violation. And it is only piracy if you state a demand for anything other than exploding promptly. Be careful about what your ID says you can ask that of.
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<strike>If indeed you have changed the id so Junkers can't pirate any corporate trader within house spaces - this is a pure win and thank you. I support this decision in hope that it will actually change to allow Junkers to pirate even the corporate traders that use jump holes. But that is far future. I will not back up my support by arguments because I feel that I could actually rollback the effects Admins hoped to achieve by this. </strike>
But I can surely say that this will not change any true Junker's rp alot.
@ junkers vs hogosha
You don't want to actually engage kusari that openly because those things don't happen. I doubt that Liberty, Rheinland and .. lets say GMG would actually appreciate Junkers engaging Samura and Kishiro traders in attempt to pirate them.
Bretonnia would appreciate it. So basically, ID should be tweaked somehow that within bertonia border - Kusari ID vs Junker ID is war.
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Quote: If a Junkerpirates anyone inside of house space we'll delete everything on every account you have and ban you, then we'll ban the largest person we can who lives near you and tell them it's your fault they're banned.
Go ahead and delete Tin.Foil.Wrapping as well then. I'll continue to pirate non allied smugglers, Independant traders and Miners until you do. All my Junker piracy was made with extreme caution, masking myself either as an Escort or good samartian thats warning the trader about approaching pirates and offers him a way around them. I got caught once by military on my first day but managed to flee before they even landed next to me, and since then I've renamed.
I made a Junker strictly for three purposes - to coy traders inside house space.
To tractor up the contraband after a smuggler gets blown up (because i report him to LN to keep good relations)
To mine scrap.
But I'ld still like to think that by "anyone" dusty meant "corporate ID ships"
' Wrote:But I can surely say that this will not change any true Junker's rp alot.
@ junkers vs hogosha
You don't want to actually engage kusari that openly because those things don't happen. I doubt that Liberty, Rheinland and .. lets say GMG would actually appreciate Junkers engaging Samura and Kishiro traders in attempt to pirate them.
Whatever the houses could have done towards the situation they already would have since the day Kusari actively baned Junkers
Now, as tempting as it is to bash the admins silly, I will make a small suggestion. Here is how I think the ID should be regarding to piracy:
*Cannot pirate corporate traders inside house space, except for Samura/Kishiro within Bretonian and Kusarian territory.
*Can pirate independent traders/smugglers/miners inside house space
I understand that junkers should not be Hunting down Kusarian Traders in Liberty, and Rhineland (Even GMG territory). But In Bretonia, who is going to stop them? the BAF would welcome it. Also why should it be prohibited when in Kusari space? Kusari Lawfuls kill Junkers on sight just like common pirates. Piracy in Kusari should also be allowed.
The primary reason Junkers shouldent Pirate in House space is to not get branded as outright criminals. Denying Piracy in House space enforces this corrent RP but this is not the same situation as in Bretonia and Kusari so the ban on piracy there needs to be lifted.
You never know, the sudden influx of Lolwhut cargo pirates in Kusari might give the Kusari lawfuls somthing to undock for.
Besides, I wouldent be attacking Kishiro transports as I was under the Impression that they were quiet supporters of the Blood Dragons.
As far as House Space is concerned a simple *LIBERTY SPACE* , *OUTCAST SPACE* , *BORDERWORLD* *CONTESTED KUSARI/BRETONIAN SPACE* etc. at the start of each system info card would do the trick.
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i`m thinking that this all situation has to do with the junkers pirating miners, lets say on Munich, they blow the miner/hauler/transport with gold ore or cobalt ore, get the ore and go sell it on Ingolstadt, wich is a Republican base.
Now, as far i remenber, not sure if it was changed, junkers could not land on corporation bases, so this is powerpiracy (sorry if i m mistaken with their rights on landing on corporation bases).
So, junkers pirate a trader, blow him up within house space, in this case, Rheinland, and go dock on a corporation base? I kinda feel this is somewhat wrong. Junkers pirating corporations outside house space and than go to sell on house planets, maybe, but i guess this all mess should be fixed if the unlawfulls on such houses would buy the good, in this case, ore, for a reasonable price, half price, maybe less, but still make profit and would be a legite sell, within RP.
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' Wrote:Also Minnesota and the run down to Braunschweig, Chester, there's a few others, I'll haul em out and give a full list later.
First people are told to go read the wiki to find out what is House space, then you list systems as ok for piracy which the wiki explicitly states are House space. All of the ones you just named are House space according to the wiki. Since Del clearly did not, did ANY admin read it before deciding to make it the authority on the subject? Anybody? BEULLER?! What other aspects of the server rules can we soon expect the wiki to be the authority on?
' Wrote:Also if piracy starts outside of House Space and gets dragged into House space, it's not a violation.
That's not on the ID, man. Didn't you notice? Well I hope you are volunteering to tell that to every trader who escapes to House space and then starts lecturing the Junker on his tail about how he's going to get sanctioned, or is that bit of server rules instruction now the responsibility of the Junkers?. Is that "less confusion" on the horizon anytime soon? You didn't make Junker piracy less confusing, you made it endlessly more confusing and subject to even more rules lawyering. But wait! There's more!
' Wrote:And it is only piracy if you state a demand for anything other than exploding promptly.
Hurray for clarity! So Junkers can murder traders in House space so long as the Junker doesn't ask for credits or cargo first. Honestly, I have no idea what your sentence is supposed to indicate.
Don't you see the road this is going down? One day and you already have to clarify your clarifications to the original clarification in the first post, which we were told was only necessary because nobody here but Dusty has any common sense. Are insults to the intelligence of the community now going to precede every rule clarification? Have the endless past threads about "what ship/ID can I use" "what can xenos do" etc not been a clue -at all- about what's going to happen here?
The only justification any admin has offered for this excessive restriction is that it's less work for you to impose an extreme on everyone else than it is to work out a reasonable middle ground. The reasonable middle ground, by the way, which already exists for EVERY other unlawful ID on the server. And frankly, until it can be explained why the Junkers are so unique that it cannot work for them, there is no reason for this rule, just lame excuses and shoddy attempts at humor from the people holding the hammers. Do you really have the nerve to expect the nails to laugh along with you?
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' Wrote:Even mission grinding can be done within RP
Oh, so a single fighter can take down tons of space stations all by himself? Wow.
But honestly - mission grinding does not do a single bit to your RP. Yes, you can come up with some weird excuse to justify doing it, but that wasn't my point. My point was that it's simply a highly annoying task you have to do to get your Guard rep, nothing else, no evaluation of RP ability or even something that improves it.
I can probably light the last quote in question from another perspective Xoria.
If a trader/freelancer/whatever wants to land on a junker base while it was stated
by the Congress (or the Trafalgar junkers in case it happens near their base) that
he'll be thrown out of the airlock the next time he wants to dock on our bases we
can apply a Chuck Norris round-kick on his face without getting sanctioned.