People have a pre-conceived notion of who we are and what we are all about after they come here from Vanilla.
They have no idea.
I wouldn't DREAM of barging in somewhere telling Del or Xoria or Dusty / Tanker / Joe how the LR or the Hackers or the Xenos are supposed to be.
Why?
Because I have NEVER had one of those characters. I have never walked in their shoes, experienced what they have, shared their pain.
Also added to the list BHG, Outcasts, Corsairs, RM, AU, LN BAF Mollies, KFN, KSP, and any other faction or group that I don't have a character in. IF I haven't done it, I don't comment.
I do have a pirate character, a indie trader, a faction trader, and a TAZ character. Used to have a Vigilante back in the day.
Do some people have some good ideas? Yeah. Constructive criticism and suggestions are good.
When you show up and start off with a superiority attitude because you can hide behind a keyboard and figure you will never be found? Useless. Wasted bandwidth, wasted time.
If I recall correctly, my biggest problem with the last thread was that the LPI group or whatever group it was that requested this change, was that they would remove a valuable commodity which had a significant Role-Play behind it being there in the first place, but not only that, they requested something that would affect everyone and not just their Player Faction Role-Play. This was my problem, all along. Then some other crap got stuffed in there but I was not the one starting it. My initial post was about the commodity and the request itself. You or anyone else who started replying back to my opinion brought up other things, which I promptly responded back to.
Now, after a bit of reflecting upon the matter and hearing opinions of other people and various inputs, I agreed upon putting it on Houston. It would seem like a good compromise to remove the slaves commodity from the Prisons (LPI's request) but still have this specific commodity linked with the LPI by putting it on another location (My problem being fixed).
So that's that. Now my comment about you using the whole LPI-Challenge or "You have no idea how it really works, you have no experience" attitude to counter complaints/criticism/accusations whatever you like to label them, towards the LPI faction, I still stand by. Because that is the exact same attitude I have witnessed in several other threads, not only this one or the other thread regarding the whole "Request to the Developers" but also in one of them threads made by some pissed off trader who complained about how the Police were doing their job in Liberty. Regardless if the guy was in right to call the LPI faction out or not, I still don't see why it's necessary to use this sort of method to defend yourselves.
By the way, I was part of the [LN] faction for at least, four active months. And I can tell you straight off that there isn't much difference between an LPI character and a Liberty Navy character when you look at what they are doing in-game. To be honest the only difference I see is that we fly Guardians and you fly Liberators, and maybe we deal with certain situations a bit differently, but we all share the whole "Go do this, go help there, escort here, watch here, blablabla." However, I should not be forced to keep my mouth shut just because I haven't had experience with the LPI faction itself, this has been my problem in this thread.
And your comment about having a "superior attitude" that's kind of funny you know when you look at the way you and other members of the LPI faction have replied to comments in this thread.
Also I do enjoy your little personal attack in the end there which you had to add into your post to make it look better, again, who's the one acting all superior here, hmm?
I note that it's humorous that people actually utterly ignore a rather important thing I saw several pages back. I mean... sure, get angry at me for being an RP whore and disagreeing you, and never playing LPI (But, oh, wait. I have. Interesting, that.) ... and just go ahead and ignore the more important parts of what I'm saying.
For those of you who might not bother reading back a few pages, or might just see the name Sprolf and have a kneejerk reaction, I'll quote what I said.
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' Wrote:The LPI has an entirely separate market.
I'd actually agree with this.
You wouldn't see them being shipped off to Malta - where they'd come from, as the Sugarland houses the Outcasts prisoners. They'd be a "lawful" variant of slaves - or prisoner-workers - if anything, ones that Daumann, the GMG, and other groups would traffic in.
The leap to this sort of market for the LPI makes sense.
Selling them back to criminals, however, doesn't.
Human commodity, yes. Unlawful buyers for it? Hehe, that makes no sense at all.
' Wrote:If I recall correctly, my biggest problem with the last thread was that the LPI group or whatever group it was that requested this change, was that they would remove a valuable commodity which had a significant Role-Play behind it being there in the first place, but not only that, they requested something that would affect everyone and not just their Player Faction Role-Play. This was my problem, all along. Then some other crap got stuffed in there but I was not the one starting it. My initial post was about the commodity and the request itself. You or anyone else who started replying back to my opinion brought up other things, which I promptly responded back to.
Do please show this roleplay. One instance.
' Wrote:Now, after a bit of reflecting upon the matter and hearing opinions of other people and various inputs, I agreed upon putting it on Houston. It would seem like a good compromise to remove the slaves commodity from the Prisons (LPI's request) but still have this specific commodity linked with the LPI by putting it on another location (My problem being fixed).
We don't sell slaves. Get that through your head, Sina.
' Wrote:So that's that. Now my comment about you using the whole LPI-Challenge or "You have no idea how it really works, you have no experience" attitude to counter complaints/criticism/accusations whatever you like to label them, towards the LPI faction, I still stand by. Because that is the exact same attitude I have witnessed in several other threads, not only this one or the other thread regarding the whole "Request to the Developers" but also in one of them threads made by some pissed off trader who complained about how the Police were doing their job in Liberty. Regardless if the guy was in right to call the LPI faction out or not, I still don't see why it's necessary to use this sort of method to defend yourselves.
Nice thinly-veiled flame against the entire faction. I don't resort to that kind of thing when talking about anyone, not even Smokeone or Hale's Angels.
' Wrote:By the way, I was part of the [LN] faction for at least, four active months. And I can tell you straight off that there isn't much difference between an LPI character and a Liberty Navy character when you look at what they are doing in-game. To be honest the only difference I see is that we fly Guardians and you fly Liberators, and maybe we deal with certain situations a bit differently, but we all share the whole "Go do this, go help there, escort here, watch here, blablabla." However, I should not be forced to keep my mouth shut just because I haven't had experience with the LPI faction itself, this has been my problem in this thread.
The LPI deals in comic relief and broken taillights. Occasionally we'll actually do something useful. If that's what you think the Navy does, I don't have much to say to you.
' Wrote:And your comment about having a "superior attitude" that's kind of funny you know when you look at the way you and other members of the LPI faction have replied to comments in this thread.
This is my first post in this or any thread about the LPI. Damn right I have a superior attitude. It's a pants-on-head retardedly hard job the LPI has.
' Wrote:Also I do enjoy your little personal attack in the end there which you had to add into your post to make it look better, again, who's the one acting all superior here, hmm?
I enjoy how your entire post is a personal attack.
Zealot Wrote:Just go play the game and have fun dammit.
Treewyrm Wrote:all in all the conclusion is that disco doesn't need antagonist factions, it doesn't need phantoms, it doesn't need nomads, it doesn't need coalition and it doesn't need many other things, no AIs, the game is hijacked by morons to confuse the game with their dickwaving generic competition games mixed up with troll-of-the-day.
' Wrote:Do please show this roleplay. One instance.
Well, I have thought that the whole issue has been that these slaves in the Prison (as being a commodity) represent the criminals who act as the working force supervised by the LPI. They are doing items such as these Space Jump Happy Bear thingies or whatever they are called, and being sold to Libertonian Civilians across the whole house, the real profit which then goes to the LPI. And people are getting more or less shoved into these prisons for crimes they sometimes haven't done or have, but they have received extra punishment so they can keep up with the necessary working force required. This all which in the end points towards corruption.
' Wrote:We don't sell slaves. Get that through your head, Sina.
And get it through your head that I haven't talked once about it being about selling slaves like it was supposed to be some form of commodity for Power-Traders or something of similar nature.
' Wrote:Nice thinly-veiled flame against the entire faction. I don't resort to that kind of thing when talking about anyone, not even Smokeone or Hale's Angels.
Flame? I'm speaking from experience here, literally what I have just observed. Feel free to complain or flame the Smokeone or Hale's Angels if you want to.
' Wrote:The LPI deals in comic relief and broken taillights. Occasionally we'll actually do something useful. If that's what you think the Navy does, I don't have much to say to you.
Yeye, whatever, I have been around for a long time enough in Liberty to observe what the LPI have done in-game and I can still say with a lot of confidence that you basically do same things as the [LN]. Arresting criminals, attacking criminals, defend civilians, escort traders and stop smugglers.
' Wrote:This is my first post in this or any thread about the LPI. Damn right I have a superior attitude. It's a pants-on-head retardedly hard job the LPI has.
Good that you have a superior attitude and feel free to openly admit it regarding your glorious Faction, it just boosts the amount of obvious evidence regarding the accusations I put forth. I thank you for that.
' Wrote:I enjoy how your entire post is a personal attack.
Well, subjective as this comment of yours may be, it's far from the truth. It was a reply to a reply and nothing more to it.
If slaves are sold on Houston, it's understood that it wouldn't be the LPI rounding up folks and selling 'em by the herd. It'd be slavers. If we're going by the LPI = slavers logic, I have nothing else to say on the matter. I'd post more but I'm on my phone at school. However, I'll quote what you said to me on Skype, Zeltak, since you made your attitude abundantly clear there:
' Wrote:If slaves are sold on Houston, it's understood that it wouldn't be the LPI rounding up folks and selling 'em by the herd. It'd be slavers. If we're going by the LPI = slavers logic, I have nothing else to say on the matter. I'd post more but I'm on my phone at school. However, I'll quote what you said to me on Skype, Zeltak, since you made your attitude abundantly clear there:
"I don't give a f*** what you think."
Again, have to go personal to be able to make an counter-argument? Not only that but you used something taken out of context. Hahaha, this is hilarious but do please continue, and present your childish behavior to the audience watching this thread.
That comment was specifically towards your little whine rant about my Hale's Angels Story regarding my personal character Zane "Raziel" King. You had a problem that I had mentioned in my story that the Chief of Police was indulged in the whole "Corrupted Officers" thingie, which you of course perceived to be my way of attacking your character. But of course you jumped the gun, wrote to me about how much "bullshi*" and "meta-gaming" that was conducted by me WITHOUT reading the whole goddamn post. I specifically mentioned the whole deal happened during January in 813 A.S. That's right, before your character was even made the Chief of Police, because unlike yourself, I do a bit of research before saying something. Not to mention your obvious hypocrisy as displayed in the first post. "I don't give a crap what you think" attitude, that is.
Hey, while we are at it, why don't add something about me enjoying PvP:ing which is somehow connected to my complaints regarding the LPI?
Sprolf, Zeltak, don't ruin the respect I hold for you.
' Wrote:Hey, while we are at it, why don't add something about me enjoying PvP:ing which is somehow connected to my complaints regarding the LPI?
Here's an idea: Stop taking that Sabre of yours to Manhattan.
Zealot Wrote:Just go play the game and have fun dammit.
Treewyrm Wrote:all in all the conclusion is that disco doesn't need antagonist factions, it doesn't need phantoms, it doesn't need nomads, it doesn't need coalition and it doesn't need many other things, no AIs, the game is hijacked by morons to confuse the game with their dickwaving generic competition games mixed up with troll-of-the-day.
' Wrote:Sprolf, Zeltak, don't ruin the respect I hold for you.
Here's an idea: Stop taking that Sabre of yours to Manhattan.
First of all, I don't want or require your respect.
Secondly, I can take my Sabre anywhere the hell I want as long as I stick within the server rules. But again, please continue with this personal attack bandwagon you are on, because up until now you haven't managed to correctly addressed anything I have said in my previous posts.