This is the first time I actually post here. I think.
But I just feel pushed into a corner here.
Some background information:
3 years ago (give or take), I submitted a request to get our Core 5 a unique model using 2500 sci data. I made it a request with our plans with it and discussed with story at the time what we would like to do with it in the future. Unseelie contacted me with the suggestion to canonise the POB instead and make the POB a dockable which was part of the model. And so it was. We developed more of the lore and made it into a proper station
Now new POB placement rules were made. The lone docking module looks very silly while floating in space. Our pob section wasn't on the list to be moved. The whole system was sized down. So I thought it was just due to the movement of solars. I make a player request to have it moved back into place.
Now yesterday, I suddenly get contacted by devs to choose. They no longer accept the construct of Kinkaku-ji being made up of two sections. I understand where they are coming from. But now we need to choose between having it as an NPC base or as a POB. Naturally the obvious choise is the NPC station. GC already lost the Battleship Matsuda last patch, and our perked commodity literally everyone in the faction was RPing around.
So losing several gameplay elements already, we get the choice between losing yet another solar, or a core 5 POB we invested billions in over the past 5 years, because of a construct the staff themselves proposed to me.
I proposed something myself in return: Just separate the two: Keep Kinkaku-ji an NPC station and just allow us to rename and move the POB to a different area, effectively eliminating the issue on their side.
They didn't accept that. Instead I get the new message that they could make it a pob again with the Kinkaku-ji model and instead giving Morioka a new docking bay, completely ignoring the value that the KKJ NPC station has, not only to GC, but to many other factions as well.
(11-23-2023, 03:29 AM)Megaera Wrote: I proposed something myself in return: Just separate the two: Keep Kinkaku-ji an NPC station and just allow us to rename and move the POB to a different area, effectively eliminating the issue on their side.
(11-23-2023, 03:29 AM)Megaera Wrote: completely ignoring the value that the KKJ NPC station has, not only to GC, but to many other factions as well.
Could you please elaborate on this one? Specifically what value the NPC station has to the other factions? I know devs deleted the unique commodity, kinda wish they hadn't but it's whatever. Without the unique commodity, what purpose does the base serve overall? The only thing I can really think of is Shikoku being a big system and the Saiun Cloud needing something other than the hole to Kyushu.
I'll do something about my superiority complex when I cease to be superior.
"Whatever happened to catchin' a good old-fashioned passionate ass-whoopin and gettin' your shoes, coat, and your hat tooken?"
I see it like Meg. To Force GC to give up KKJ as a Solar while ghe Devs already took the Matsuda Last Patch would Feel like a Unfair Punishment to the GC. This would Upset many GC players me included.
I Support many of the Changes that Happend in the last Patch. But i dont Support this. I have hope that the GC Faction Comodity Returns in the Future.
But to take now KKJ From us after you already took so Much is not only Unfair its als Ignorant of the Lore and the History that the Solar haves for one of the Oldest and most Active Factions of Discovery. KKJ Like the Capitol of the GC its the Most Important Jewel in our Treasury. It Survived Sieges and Battles as it still was just a Pob. It Survived the almost Civil War like Status between the two Rival GC Factions. And it Developed into something important to the GC that is only able to be Compared to the Status of a house Capitol
To remove KKJ would be as if you decided to Remove Manhattan by a Black Hole, or to get Rid of New Berlin. It would Destroy the GC and would doom one of the most Active factions of Kusari to a Slow and Painfull Death. It would also Rob the Mod of a Factor that brings Life, Roleplay and Fun to Kusari and all zhe othet Houses that the GC did there Shige and Cardamine Convoys to.
If you want to hear my Opinion as a Official Factions Leader of OS&C? Allow kKJ to remain a Solar for the GC and let us Rename the POB and give it a normal Skin. Otherwise you might Destroy something that is more Important to this Mod and its Comunity than you think. Something that you might not be Able to Repair once its Broken.
(11-23-2023, 03:29 AM)Megaera Wrote: completely ignoring the value that the KKJ NPC station has, not only to GC, but to many other factions as well.
Could you please elaborate on this one? Specifically what value the NPC station has to the other factions? I know devs deleted the unique commodity, kinda wish they hadn't but it's whatever. Without the unique commodity, what purpose does the base serve overall? The only thing I can really think of is Shikoku being a big system and the Saiun Cloud needing something other than the hole to Kyushu.
Blood dragons, Outcasts, GC, the occasional lane hacker, other freelancers who occasionally pass by.
It is true that the economy changes devaluated it, but it still is a prime staging area for raids, with good missions. Out of all GC bases, it is the most used by far. Preferably I would like to see its smuggling routes return as well of course, but the economy as a whole needs work.
Next to that, there are many RP threads with it as focal point, as the lore of the station itself designates it as both an unlawful trade hub and a sacred shrine to the GC.
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Okay I guess we're doing this here then
(11-23-2023, 04:29 AM)Kauket Wrote:
(11-23-2023, 04:01 AM)Megaera Wrote: Essentially the choice right now boils down to: Torch your Core 5 POB in order to keep your NPC station.
Did you not submit a canonisation request of said station before? Asking out of curiosity.
The request was never made overtly, but feelers were put out to the previous dev team as far as I can tell, and the opinion at the time was a resounding no. At least, that is what I can gather from the extant request threads and the developer discord - what overtures were made in working groups or DMs, I can't say. The custom model request was made, and approved by the staff team, and when it was passed on to implementation by the dev team, they basically decided to go ahead and make an NPC base essentially purely to make it easier to implement the model, because the alternative would be to actually, y'know, model the base.
Kinkaku-ji was never meant to be canonized, as far as I am aware. The fact that it ended up as an NPC base happened pretty much exclusively because the developers at the time were unable or unwilling to implement the change the way it should have been done (purely as a custom model). The current system of custom models (where the POB is simply one piece and several system objects are tacked onto it and parented, see: Isle of Skye, Nichols, etc.) is understandably untenable, because it means every systems change then has to involve admin work of moving the POBs in place, and it also likely causes issues with sieging those bases because the damage may not propagate properly. The only "proper" way to do this system would be to actually create a custom model (rather than stapling pieces together in the system INI), but that requires modeling work that is ever in short supply.
I made the suggestion of keeping the custom model on the POB - because that is what was requested - and recycling the NPC base into a drydock extension or something of the like, something that would be much lower impact but still maintain some of the story beats from KKJ that are acceptable by the story team, and maintain the same gameplay effects of having another ship sale point.
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