House, Military, Police and Intelligence IDs

[Shinju]

-Can attack ships which are in violation of Liberty laws or belong to a house or organization considered hostile by Liberty within Liberty house space.

Puerto Rico isn't part of Liberty house space. So they can't enforce Liberty laws in PR.

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[Lythrilux]

What Shinju said, also:

-Can attack ships which belong to a House considered hostile by Liberty inside their Zone of Influence.

Congress/Junkers are not a house.

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[Teerin]

This change was made primarily to help Unlawful/Corporate/Quasi-lawful factions have a bit more breathing room to engage each other, without having to worry about being FR5'd or face other dire consequences from House Governments.

This change should give Bounty Hunters an opportunity to operate in independent systems where House law is not enforced, yet protection is desperately needed. This change was purposely made to give systems outside House space that "Wild West", Space is Dangerous

First off, the unlawful factions get no benefit from this. They'd be shot at either way. Corporate factions do benefit, yes, however there are much better ways that could be implemented. Create some sort of rule that forbids legal consequences for corporations who engage in corporate warfare in non-House space. Quasilawful factions can now smuggle with magical impunity so long as it doesn't take place within House space, which is a benefit for them, but an unnecessary nerf for lawful groups. Trust me; having lead both LN and UC for a long time, I can tell you that the system was well enough balanced before.

Bounty Hunters will be getting the biggest buff, though. Since law enforcement outside of boundries that don't really exist within roleplay is suddenly forbidden for the police/navy/intel IDs, you can safely bet that the BHG will be picking up where the others were forced to leave off. This is actually something about this that I like. Wow.

The Wild West, where Space is Dangerous, can still be a thing without this exact rule. All you need to do is change the terminology. Have a distinct set of "Border Systems" and "Edge Systems", then restrict law enforcement from the Edge systems. Lump systems like Cortez and Omega-3 into the first category, with Galileo and Omega-5 into the second. That keeps it fairly straightforward, without being unreasonable and unfair to the lawful factions of the four Sirius Houses.

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[jammi]

I still don't understand why people are using the phrase 'wild west' though. These systems are the arteries that connect Houses.

They are not discrete, low population, strategically insignificant or out the way. They are literally the conduits through which all pan-House trade and travel is conducted.

The actual wild systems are the deep Omegas, Taus and Omicrons. This just shows the clear disconnect between administration and development, when ID changes pretty much ignore story development and system design.

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[Lythrilux]

The actual wild systems are the deep Omegas, Taus and Omicrons. This just shows the clear disconnect between administration and development, when ID changes pretty much ignore story development and system design.

Can't help but feel the nail has been hit directly on the head.

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[Swifty]

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Oh yea? I find this hard to believe since that was a change that was made "secretly" by you (The [A]dmin team) and none of us knew about it until now.

Maybe it's not in my power to do such, but i demand proof of this stuff being talked weeks ago. Failure to do such will basically point out my and a few other people's points. I'm really curious to see this topic, and i mean all of it. Please contact me via skype with the proof.


As for the rest of you said, Jax, as other people said. Screwein other faction over another just to do unlawfuls a favor is a pathetic excuse in my opinion. Not too long ago, nobody gave a {Encrypted} about unlawfuls, what they represent or anything else. Do you honestly think that this "favor" helps anyone? No, not really. BHG was doing fine until now without this, other unlawfuls as well. Nice try though.

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[Thyrzul]

I still don't understand why people are using the phrase 'wild west' though. These systems are the arteries that connect Houses.

They are not discrete, low population, strategically insignificant or out the way. They are literally the conduits through which all pan-House trade and travel is conducted.

The actual wild systems are the deep Omegas, Taus and Omicrons. This just shows the clear disconnect between administration and development, when ID changes pretty much ignore story development and system design.

Thank you!

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[Omega Defense Flotilla]

And with these changes, our existance is pointless. Thanks for killing our faction. Great job!

[Jack_Henderson]

Can't be bothered logging onto Karst, sorry.

Anyway, this is a very welcome change. The independent worlds were always intended to be just that, independent.
The houses in their deluded grasp for power had completely eliminated the whole concept of "outside of house space", and it's sad that it took a rule change to bring them in line.

While it may require fine tuning, I wholeheartedly welcome this change. I'll leave it at that because I'm not having the same discussion here as I did in official faction leaders chat.

This.

[TheProphet]

In SP, border and hazardous systems were patrolled solely by House militaries. Core systems were dealt with by a mixture of police and navy depending on the context - how dangerous particular regions were. In Discovery, that situation has changed somewhat. I'll drop some infocards to illustrate how pants-on-head silly this is, from a lore perspective at least. Different arguments can be made for gameplay balance because that and lore usually have a passing relationship at best.

I'll back this up with two examples I'm most familiar with: Omega 3 and 7. However, with 10 minutes work I could easily find lore pertaining to military and police presences in Cortez, Hudson, Bering, Tau 29, Kepler, Galileo, etc etc.

Omega 3

Many of the inhabitants first established themselves in Omega 3 to escape from the Houses. This lifestyle has since been endangered by Bretonia moving into the system in force, and de facto annexing the system through the settlement of Sprague. Laws being applied there wasn't sloppy development or an accident, it's a part of a major story arc in the region.

IDS 132537

Now that Sprague is being colonized in earnest, the Police Authority has had to assign folk to that system. It's been a right nightmare so far. Corsairs, Hessians... Even those Daumann rascals try to start trouble from time to time. And the Armed Forces aren't a lot of help, they have their hands full up north. Still, we make the best of a bad situation, that civilian militia initiative they're running is having some effect."

IDS 132573

We've extended our patrols into Omega-3 per the conditions of the Omega Trade Lane Pact with Rheinland. Rheinland is finally keeping up their end of the bargain in Omega-7, but moving a battleship into the system wasn't exactly what the Crown was hoping for. No doubt Rheinland is making a statement against our colonization of Sprague. But whatever the reason, it makes our jobs in the Omega borderworlds a little easier.

IDS 133591

Now that Bretonia's got Sprague under lock and key, we've pretty much cemented our claim to this space. That makes the Zoners mighty nervous, seeing as it was the governments they were running from in the first place. Hopefully they'll jump ship and scuttle off into the deep Omegas. They might not like me, but I don't like them either.

IDS 133593

This system is Bretonian space now, didn't I tell you so? The Ole Doug was originally plopped down by BMM on the Queen's orders to keep an eye on them cretinous Rheinlanders. Sprague ain't exactly all fixed up, but we're living on her as best we can. Can't afford to contract Planetform and I don't know if they'd even want to take a job in Omega 3.

IDS 133613

Daumann and BMM hate each other. Did you know that? Aye, they are trying to establish colonial presence in this system so that they may eventually annex Omega-3. That contest is pretty much decided now that Bretonia is settling Sprague, but I don't see Rheinland letting go of the Rugen installation any time soon. Mark my words, there'll be war in the Omegas again before I'm dead.

IDS 133616

Zoners hazard the Border Worlds because we don't want any governments telling us how to live. That's why Sprague has been such a disaster - you can't trust Bretonia as far as you can throw them. We just wanted to be left alone, and now they're knocking the door down and bringing their bloody war with them.

IDS 133605

Bowex is paying me very well to protect its shipping convoys that pass through this system. This is probably the most dangerous shipping route in all of Sirius, so their pilots are top notch. Even so, a lot of them get charbroiled in Omega-3 and Omega-7. We team up with the Bret cops as well, now that their navy has pulled out. The constables are good shouts, but the milita ships... It's sick. Ordering them out to Omega 3 should be charged as murder.

IDS 468736

Police manpower only stretches so far. In peace time, we'd patrol the safer stretches of Cambridge and Leeds and all of New London and Manchester. Cushy job - if you'd suggested we stick our necks out in Dublin and Omega 3, you'd have been laughed out of the office. How times change. The Armed Forces are kept busy defending the front lines, and we pick up the slack.

IDS 468741

The BPA have requested a detachment of Vickers gunships be sent down to Omega 3 to reinforce our patrols. We've been considerably empowered by a Royal Decree giving constables requisition rights for the use of Templars, but the additional gunships would really help us keep volatile zones suppressed. //Looks like this was referencing the Bretonian gunship which was never actually included.

Omega 7

Omega 7 is a main conduit through which commerce into Rheinland flows. The battleship Schwerin was stationed in Omega 7 in order to provide additional security, as well as sending an aggressive message to Bretonia that their territorial claims in Omega 3 are highly unwelcome. Both Omega 3 and 7 are governed by the Omega Trade Lane Pact.

IDS 065800

Freistadt Base is run by the Independent Mining Guild to provide support for the mining of Copper, Cobalt, and Silver from nearby asteroid fields. Originally a DSE waystation left over from the construction of the Omega-7 trade lane, it was reoccupied by unemployed miners in the wake of the economic collapse of Rheinland after the 80-year war. These miners joined with the Independent Miners Guild not long after the discovery of abundant mineral deposits in the surrounding asteroid fields.

Recently, Rheinland has deployed Battleship Schwerin to keep an eye on Freistadt and it's surroundings, suspecting IMG support of the Hessian movement. Protests by the IMG, citing the presence of a warship would needlessly endanger the station, have fallen on deaf ears in Rheinland.

IDS 133625

You know, the only reason BMM built a base in this system is to try and take Omega-3 away from us. With the colonisation of Sprague, they've overplayed their hand - the Schwerin in Omega 7 is watching them very closely. Sure, both governments paid for the Trade Lanes and Jump Gates here, but we were the ones who first moved in. New London only wants the system to take it from Rheinland.

IDS 525016

Launched in early 814 A.S., the Schwerin is one of the newest battleships in the Rheinland Fleet, commanded by Commodore Jessika Lowe. It has seen action in Omega-15 prior to the collapse of the jumpholes leading into the system, and was withdrawn before the system became inaccessible. The ship has recently been redeployed to Omega-7 to secure Rheinland interests in the Omega borderworlds and curb the increasing number of Corsair and Hessian raids against the mining operations at Briesen and Elbich.

Extremely badly thought out decision that will have an immense negative impact on police and military factions. Corporate faction PvP potential is getting a massive boost through this, but is that really the intended effect? There's no logical reason why law enforcement shouldn't be able to patrol their own border systems. That was the primary original purpose of the naval groups!

I am rather perplexed by people continuing to insist about "what the Borderworlds were always supposed to be" so I feel this post needs bumping. It has a rather sizable chunk of the lore surrounding Omega 3 and 7.

The change continues to make zero sense, and the "wait and see" argument is beyond awful.

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