Oh wow you moved fast. Well I was in the middle of verifiying all details of your proposal on Skype. Had brought in GMG council, had began collecting infocards from in-game and began perusing previous RP done on the forums and I was getting around to asking the developer of Okinawa in any finer points I may be missing. Your scheme to open Okinawa for trade on Kusari side seems a bit shocking in it's forum presentation and I noticed you already got the attention of the system developer.
Yeah the detail that gets everyone is that GMG defaulted against something in some way. If Kusari did actually have the ability to stop H-fuel from leaving GMG hands do you think that the combined might of Samura and Kruger will be able to fill that massively huge gap? Good luck on convincing more then a minority on that one. Fuel is making it out there and we aren't even making it our costs, the customers are stuck dealing with higher prices from this. Also there's 3 setups, I believe, with factions getting fuel out well enough (one of which came into being before this when Kusari blockaded Liberty and we needed to replace Kishiro with someone quick) using the JH system alone and about 3 more setups and offensives sitting on hold being discussed about the blockade so the JGs can be regularly used again (in RP). Dab made reference to the same I did in Skype that %5 of Okinawa doesn't translate into ownership. That %5 is indefenite and is supposed to give more back IC in the long run then what IC gave to it by a hundred fold and more. It was an investment, a successful one (if you are still friends with GMG that is). One last point, Fujisawa in Okinawa is the home of GMG's paramilitary and also Okinawa houses the Kiretsu and the Blood Dragons. You'll find no other systems aside from our guard system in a more firm GMG military control then Okinawa. The price any military venture to seize Okinawa would be crippling even if successful. Crippling enough to not make it worth it, hence the reasone why GMG got IC financing to develop it so quickly and firmly before Okinawa became public knowledge. Not because we were poor, because we were in a hurry to get past the vulnerable stages of out industrial and military development of that system.
Edit add: Casero, it's safe to assume people are gonna still need water just as they are gonna need the fuel. GMG doesn't stop selling fuel because of the risk of being annexed by the combined might of all 4 houses looms in that one. Too many bases and planets hold millions and millions of people that don't naturally produce water, oxygen and food. H-fuel using ships bring those to them. It's fallicy to think that GMG would ever conceive of giving up on making money from the people in this situation by stopping and ending all fuel business.
' Wrote:IN RP, Fine. Your character (god knows her) is trying to put some pressure, or is just curious about some international laws that no one ever heard about, but might exist. It's fine.
You commenting on the IC Feedback thread that international laws side with GMG. So, what international laws?
My character is an unnamed GC sympathizer in the news field. Obviously a well-known GC can't go around as a reporter. But it's safe to say every single pirate faction in Sirius is going to have sympathetic reporters as well as reporters on their payroll to ask the questions they want to throw out. This happens extremely often in real life. News is a money business.
Also yes, she is trying to do nothing more than put pressure on IC. I'm not actually looking for an international law with my reporter. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they just ignore her. I said those things just to get them out and get people thinking about them.
I commented here that real life international law sides with GMG in this, but that was in response to one of your posts, not to IC.
' Wrote:So GMG could simply made the deal, and stop selling Fuel if they decided to shut down everything, giving a lot of loses to IC? Brillant move for IC leaders. A contract for a percentage of a sell with no minimum is very risky, with the HUGE amount of money IC invested on Okinawa,
See Prowler's post on that matter. There was no way that GMG could stop mining the fuel in Okinawa without massive backlash, not to mention bankruptcy. H-fuel is their business. Stop doing business and you lose your company. GMG has been mining H-fuel efficiently and reliably for hundreds of years. There is nothing to suggest they'd stop anytime soon. I would think even IC would know that.
' Wrote:I'd believe they at least demanded a minimum to fulfil, bringing up this point is like bringing up some international laws, don't you think? It looks dumb to argue about something that doesn't exist, I do kinda fail with this, because I'm contradicting myself, you can't argue about things that doesn't exist, otherwise, the first one to call it is the winner, aka international laws, aka minimum.
If they wish to say they had demanded a minimum, okay. That's great. But GMG is still selling H-fuel, they can still get IC a profit. You're acting as if GMG is making so little money that IC would break from them completely and financially. If GMG were making that small amount of money, the entire Sirius sector would be in a massive fuel depression.
You're right, it is stupid to argue about something that doesn't exist.. I came here concerned about them contradicting something that -did- exist.
' Wrote:Also, I'm not saying KNF is stopping all the GMG sells, what I'm saying is that the sells that used to move through the Honshu gate are now stopped, of course, in RP, both parties agreed on that by their actions.
If through unlawful factions or through jump holes they still sell fuel in the same level, is up to discussion, I personally doubt that the GMG is selling at the same rate that without the embargo. Also, GMG knows the Jump Holes, the outcasts know them too, the corsairs know them too, the hogosha, the farmers, the list goes on, jump holes are not a secured lane though.
I'm definitely not saying GMG sells at the same level as before, but they get enough out for Liberty to stay afloat, and their pockets to remain full of cash.
As for the jumpholes, the Hogosha and FA may also know their location, but you've got GC, BD, and GMG all working together to make sure that H-fuel makes it out to the customers. Those three can easily get H-fuel passed the Hogosha and FA forces there. Not to mention the GC have got the OC in line when it comes to Okinawa. OC do not shoot GMG in Okinawa if they want to be welcomed there by the GC. OC know if they leave GMG alone in Okinawa, the GMG and BD leave them alone, unless they are wondering where they shouldn't (near Fujisawa/Sendai). So Hogs/FA are dealing with 4 factions (2 very strong) along those jumphole paths. I'd say they are secure -enough- for the GMG to use.
' Wrote:That's not what I can tell from your IN RP post in the IC communication, call me biased, but I won't believe it's just a coincidence that you mention those international laws here and there.
Mentioned in both places, but in completely different context. I'm not looking for IC to give me any international laws.
' Wrote:My character is an unnamed GC sympathizer in the news field. Obviously a well-known GC can't go around as a reporter. But it's safe to say every single pirate faction in Sirius is going to have sympathetic reporters as well as reporters on their payroll to ask the questions they want to throw out. This happens extremely often in real life. News is a money business.
Also yes, she is trying to do nothing more than put pressure on IC. I'm not actually looking for an international law with my reporter. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they just ignore her. I said those things just to get them out and get people thinking about them.
I commented here that real life international law sides with GMG in this, but that was in response to one of your posts, not to IC.
See Prowler's post on that matter. There was no way that GMG could stop mining the fuel in Okinawa without massive backlash, not to mention bankruptcy. H-fuel is their business. Stop doing business and you lose your company. GMG has been mining H-fuel efficiently and reliably for hundreds of years. There is nothing to suggest they'd stop anytime soon. I would think even IC would know that.
If they wish to say they had demanded a minimum, okay. That's great. But GMG is still selling H-fuel, they can still get IC a profit. You're acting as if GMG is making so little money that IC would break from them completely and financially. If GMG were making that small amount of money, the entire Sirius sector would be in a massive fuel depression.
You're right, it is stupid to argue about something that doesn't exist.. I came here concerned about them contradicting something that -did- exist.
I'm definitely not saying GMG sells at the same level as before, but they get enough out for Liberty to stay afloat, and their pockets to remain full of cash.
As for the jumpholes, the Hogosha and FA may also know their location, but you've got GC, BD, and GMG all working together to make sure that H-fuel makes it out to the customers. Those three can easily get H-fuel passed the Hogosha and FA forces there. Not to mention the GC have got the OC in line when it comes to Okinawa. OC do not shoot GMG in Okinawa if they want to be welcomed there by the GC. OC know if they leave GMG alone in Okinawa, the GMG and BD leave them alone, unless they are wondering where they shouldn't (near Fujisawa/Sendai). So Hogs/FA are dealing with 4 factions (2 very strong) along those jumphole paths. I'd say they are secure -enough- for the GMG to use.
Mentioned in both places, but in completely different context. I'm not looking for IC to give me any international laws.
Sure Dab, I told you, you are right. I never said the GMG would go to bankruptcy, I didn't say they stopped all their sells. Surely, the outcasts will never attack the GMG because the GC asked them not to, and probably it's defined in the lore when Okinawa was created, right? So, yes, you probably know as former SOB leader (?) why outcasts wouldn't attack GMG because they were asked by <strike>kiretsu</strike> GC, even when GMG attacks them in the next system, you wrote it, right? I might be paranoic now.
Just gonna say something that might look dumb to you, but in my eyes, it has something to do, maybe not with this matter, but something conduced similarly.
Corsairs, food. Some things are possible, some things are impossible, some places are locked down, some others aren't.
And more related to IC, I still think that their contract with GMG should be writen by both parties.
PS: International laws between 4 countries, even when 2 of those countries are fighting the other 2, not to mention the two pirate nations, the megalomaniac King of Gallia, the almighty secret organization The Order, who can't beat a mere bunch of Bounty Hunters, I now see how the current (2010) international laws fit in Disco.
PS2: International laws are fine, if they are brought to the table BEFORE events happen.
PS3: Oh, and aliens.
@ProwlerPC: Sorry, but when people paint their factions in an almighty style, I start disliking them, if you say that the GMG would stand against 4 houses combined, PM Igiss, the GRN must know about that. But, you are right, you have zoners on your side, whatever you can't produce or get by your own hands, they can supply it. I know my tone is not the best, but when you are so close, you don't see the whole picture, I'm not even playing the game, but right now, I can tell you that, from what I read here and the last few days, that the GMG can beat the KNF in the sigmas, they got the bd under their pocket, the GC sells their fuel to bretonia and outcasts (yes, GC providing Bretonia, an entire house with fuel, surely the GC is the greatest trading faction), they can fight the corsairs, the outcasts don't touch them, they fight the Junkers, beated Rheinland, and can resist against the 4 houses combined (which of course would never happen, but in the odd scenario that it happened, GMG could stand against it?), I surely sound optimistic, but that's how it appears before my eyes, I doubt that you care about my opinion, or anyone care, but had to reply to you.
Please keep posts related to IC only. Best to take this discussion as O7 thread was done. Also, please keep the sarcasm off too. We don't want our feedback locked.
IC is halfway there in terms of solving their current problem.
Under the terms of the Okinawa blockade - they can enter Okinawa, and move goods to and from their base - because it is not a GMG base.
The problem is that IC is not listed as an authorised company for moving H-Fuel or Plutonium in Kusari. If they can get themselves an authorisation from the Kusari government - then this issue goes away for them.
I wish IC the very best in securing that authorisation...
P.S DarthBindo I sent you a PM with another option - read it and get back to me OK?
' Wrote:Edit add: Casero, it's safe to assume people are gonna still need water just as they are gonna need the fuel. GMG doesn't stop selling fuel because of the risk of being annexed by the combined might of all 4 houses looms in that one. Too many bases and planets hold millions and millions of people that don't naturally produce water, oxygen and food. H-fuel using ships bring those to them. It's fallicy to think that GMG would ever conceive of giving up on making money from the people in this situation by stopping and ending all fuel business.
' Wrote:@ProwlerPC: Sorry, but when people paint their factions in an almighty style, I start disliking them, if you say that the GMG would stand against 4 houses combined, PM Igiss, the GRN must know about that. But, you are right, you have zoners on your side, whatever you can't produce or get by your own hands, they can supply it. I know my tone is not the best, but when you are so close, you don't see the whole picture, I'm not even playing the game, but right now, I can tell you that, from what I read here and the last few days, that the GMG can beat the KNF in the sigmas, they got the bd under their pocket, the GC sells their fuel to bretonia and outcasts (yes, GC providing Bretonia, an entire house with fuel, surely the GC is the greatest trading faction), they can fight the corsairs, the outcasts don't touch them, they fight the Junkers, beated Rheinland, and can resist against the 4 houses combined (which of course would never happen, but in the odd scenario that it happened, GMG could stand against it?), I surely sound optimistic, but that's how it appears before my eyes, I doubt that you care about my opinion, or anyone care, but had to reply to you.
Sorry bud, you missed something in the reading of my post.
You know. Feedback is always open. That is, if you are a bit unhappy about something, you can tell it right away and not wait till that problem becomes huge. Just sayin'...
While it makes perfect sense for your faction to do this, it is a bit of a dick move to the Samura faction unless you've worked it out with them beforehand. Claiming to have put their stocks into freefall (or even claiming to own that many in the first place) is taking massive liberties with their faction, unless you had permission.
If you don't, then to be frank, it's powerplaying. The reason being, they've got no defence against it save saying, "no you didn't". Stating you've caused a corporate faction's stocks to crash is much the same as holding NPC hostages against police and navy factions, which is also considered a dick move unless consent is acquired beforehand.
If you'd talked it out with Markus_Janus beforehand, then fair enough, this post can be disregarded. If not, there's an issue here that needs to be addressed. Like I said, yes, this is a logical progression of events, but it has to be discussed so both parties can fully accommodate it into their RP.
' Wrote:You know. Feedback is always open. That is, if you are a bit unhappy about something, you can tell it right away and not wait till that problem becomes huge. Just sayin'...
So I guess I will give this a try, see how it goes.
First, Samura is owned by the Samura family and the Kusari government.
Second there is no way Samura would ever sell it's stock to an outsider, most of all Interspace, one of it's hated enemies.
Third, when you assign effects to others for things you make up, it's not so cool.