then i thought of a chugoku that is similar to gamma and i died a bit inside.
In RP we continue to invest heavily in the BD, especially when GMG and Samura (and thus Kusari) relations continued to sour till it reached open conflict. I'm against the restictions on BD caps and I implore the faction to use them more. GMG will pay for the damages (in RP), no worries.
(actually from what I hear they will lift the restrictions on those caps. FINALLY. Sad that the only Togo I ever saw was the one commanded by Aoi. Even in .84 I never saw a Togo despite all the whiners complaining about BD caps. I was right there in the messy Sigmas waiting to see one of them. Time went on, never saw one. It's overdue and I know I'll buy one the moment I can, in the meantime I have a Kagutsuchi.)
If GMG and Order are very close allies of Zoner (Techuse "pink") and BD are or want to be allied to both, secret or not, why the hell do they shoot Zoners at all? This is simply Blooddragon`s bad RP and even worse they show no intention to change that.
GMG supporting BD is therefor backstabbing theyr Zoner alliance.
From a Zoner POV this would be a big disappointment as soon as it is revealed and most likely the relations get damaged.
Order is a very different thing because Order is actualy Zoners for major parts. Therefor it would be impossible to keep an alliance with BD a secret to Zoners. Also Order cannot allie with BD cause half of Order will have relatives/family likely being killed by BD one day and a day later they are supposed to be brothers in arms.
If Order High Command thus decides to openly backstab Zoners in theyr own ranks, this can only lead to massive tensions inside Order itself. And for what gain? For some landingpermission in CHIGOKU Order High Command wants to risk excellent relations with Zoner?
I'll choose BD. Never once have I ever seen a single Zoner come to the aid and defence of GMG ships being destroyed by our enemies (the ones Zoners supply). Indeed we got the same Zoner group feeding Samura on Kurile Nuclear Devices and Military Vehicles while previously declining from supplying Okinawa from Kusari pressure when Kusari blockaded our system. GMG - BD relations are Vanilla and they don't cling to their neutral relationships above their allies.
Following your twisted way of thinking: how Order & Corsairs used to be allied for very long period of time even if nothing could stop Sairs from pirating or attacking Zoners?
' Wrote:I'll choose BD. Never once have I ever seen a single Zoner come to the aid and defence of GMG ships being destroyed by our enemies (the ones Zoners supply). Indeed we got the same Zoner group feeding Samura on Kurile Nuclear Devices and Military Vehicles while previously declining from supplying Okinawa from Kusari pressure when Kusari blockaded our system. GMG - BD relations are Vanilla and they don't cling to their neutral relationships above their allies.
GMG is not Topic here realy. Was only brought forward as (unfitting) example for the Order-Zoner-BD Triangle.
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' Wrote:I thought Outcasts were not able to reproduce and were sterile?
If they were sterile, they'd have died out as a race 600 years ago (give or take one generation born before the damage was permanent, combined with long lifespans). Severely reduced fertility is not the same as sterility. An appropriate, if entirely factually wrong, comparison would be the Krogen in Mass Effect. They still scrape along, just.
I don't even see why you keep blabbering about BD-Zoner relations here. I don't think it is possible to think of a topic that is less related to the thread than this particular one. Really guys, if you need to argue and make ridiculous stuff up so badly, open a new thread.
' Wrote:GMG is not Topic here realy. Was only brought forward as (unfitting) example for the Order-Zoner-BD Triangle.
Ooops I think you missed the first post made by the OP. This thread is about a Order-GMG-BD Triangle.
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[1:24:57 PM] Felix Larouche (ProwlerPC): sorry to the Zoner leaders of factions in here if they read the thread
[1:25:09 PM] Felix Larouche (ProwlerPC): I don't intend to end GMG Zoner relations
[1:25:31 PM] Felix Larouche (ProwlerPC): it's just that if those few little Zoners want to call out that subject
[1:25:54 PM] Felix Larouche (ProwlerPC): it needed to be pointed out that they supply all the enemies of thier allies as well
[1:25:55 PM] Felix Larouche (ProwlerPC): all of them
' Wrote:Following your twisted way of thinking: how Order & Corsairs used to be allied for very long period of time even if nothing could stop Sairs from pirating or attacking Zoners?
Far as i know they generaly dont. In contrary in my Corsair characters i have never seen official Faction Corsair shoot Zoners and Zoners where respected and treated friendly everywhere, even in Omicron Gamma.
I only heard Corsair have some bad relation to one rather strange Zoner Faction that is selling zoner weapons everywhere, like to Renegades or Hessians for example. So who can blame Corsairs shoot zoners that give Zoner weapons to theyr archenemies. Even the other Zoner Factions would understand that.
The Order is not made up mostly of Zoners. Nor is the role play on the part of the GMG, Order, or Blood Dragon players bad. Life isn't as black and white as either of you two (Kharon & Hamm) make it out to be. Neither are the relations between factions here in our little make believe playground.
The alliance with the GMG isn't a military one. We're allied because we are kindred spirits and because Zoners have a monopoly on deuterium. A resource that is extremely important to the GMG.
The alliance with the Order isn't one where they protect us everywhere. We supply them and also help finance their operations because we, more than most, understand the threat they are fighting. Zoners in the Omicrons live under constant threat of a Nomad assault. They'll protect Zoners if they see the chance, but escorting Zoner trade convoys that aren't bound for Minor isn't something they typically do or should be doing.
Both factions know that while we are allied with them, we are unable and unwilling to support them in an extremely public manner or in a military manner. It would serve to destroy the fine balancing act the Zoner community plays across Sirius.
As the leader of an official Zoner faction, we in role play are not aware that the Dragons are supported by the GMG. That is a secret we aren't aware of. However, it wouldn't bother us (OSI here) at all as we have supported the GC in the past because we too dislike the current regime in Kusari.
A lone independent Zoner being pirated by the Dragons within Kusari is of little consequence or concern to us. Kusari is a rather hostile area of space for a Zoner, you should have had support and you shouldn't have been in the Dragon's space. If they had shot you down near a Freeport that would have been another story.
Piracy is part of trading. Diplomatic relations rarely hinge on a few acts of piracy.