[Old Archive] Information & Feedback

[Blodo]

Well, when it comes to KNF vs BAF strength I think it's a fairly good assumption that the KNF achieved a greater amount of forces committed against Bretonia because:
1. Kusari only has to deal with internal conflict, and not really with a huge pirate invasion from another side like Bretonia has to (Cambridge)
2. The GMG acts as a further buffer against Outcasts in Honshu
Conclusion: the KNF pulled a lot of forces from New Tokyo and Honshu to achieve numerical superiority in Tau-31. Furthermore, the whole EMP bomb gambit during the beginning of the invasion of Leeds took out a major Bretonian fleet and left the BAF squarely on the defensive.

None of this implies any giant advantages that the KNF enjoyed from the start, nor does it imply a great numerical superiority by the KNF over the BAF (indeed, the war in the Tau systems lasted for about 3 years which can actually be assumed as a long stalemate before the big breakthrough finally happened), but rather that they used their enemy's mistakes against them when the time was right. Which further implies that if Kusari was to get into another major conflict on another front, they'd become just as disadvantaged as Bretonia is now and would quickly lose all their gains. In fact this is exactly what is going to happen in 4.86.

All this is information that can be derived from Igiss's lore write-ups, rumours and ingame news.

--------------------------

Now this leaves the core Kusari systems slightly less well defended than usual. And then you have Hokkaido, where it is extremely easy to find rumours and infocards that tell you exactly why that system is indefensible, and the reason for that is the same as how the GMG won the 80 Years War against the entire might of the Rheinland Imperial Navy: there are no clear battle lines, the nebula obscures fighters/bombers on all sensors (in the lore anyway, but doesn't apply for player ships unfortunately) save for the short irradiated strip between the two clouds in the middle of the system, and the KNF have no idea where the Dragons are coming from. On top of that, the GMG have helped the Dragons train their forces further in the art of nebula warfare so that they can undermine Samura - and this happened ingame years ago. The tactical advantage is on the side of the Dragons, and seems pretty one sided to me too. So I would rather say that system is the exact opposite of "fairly secure".

I hope I enlightened some people here about the lore.

[Zelot]

Oh blodo, you're so funny. The reason Blodo is so funny is he comes in here and lays out his whole scenario explaining how everything is the way he says it in, and look he even says, "All of this is derived from the storyline and infocards." What makes it so funny is that it is quiet easy to use the infocards and storyline to say the exact opposite thing.

Ya see, I can say that it was not the GMG's fighting skills that won the 80 years war for them, but instead the protection of Kusari, who allowed the GMG to use Honshu as a safe haven to attack the Rheinlanders from. The hit and run raids of the GMG were only effective because they could flee back to Honshu, effectively stopping any chance for a Rheinland counter attack. The infocards and lore show me that without the protection of Kusari, the GMG would have quickly lost the 80 years war.

I could really do this with any section of the fanciful scenario that Blodo posted above. The infocards and lore can be used to make a case for just about anything. I think it's funny when people try and make an argument without explaining that.

---

 

[Dusty Lens]

Oh blodo, you're so funny. The reason Blodo is so funny is he comes in here and lays out his whole scenario explaining how everything is the way he says it in, and look he even says, "All of this is derived from the storyline and infocards." What makes it so funny is that it is quiet easy to use the infocards and storyline to say the exact opposite thing.

Blodo's post was made in a calm and non caustic fashion, illustrating a greater story in a way that appeared to be seperated from personal motive or bias. Your counter claim was to devalue Blodo, Blodo's motives and Blodo's sources. Perhaps it would be best for this conversation if you skipped the junk proceeding your claim that it would be a simple affair to use available infocards and storyline to prove the opposite and simply do so.

At least that would greatly improve the tone being demonstrated by the Kusari Naval Forces official faction.

Ya see, I can say that it was not the GMG's fighting skills that won the 80 years war for them, but instead the protection of Kusari, who allowed the GMG to use Honshu as a safe haven to attack the Rheinlanders from. The hit and run raids of the GMG were only effective because they could flee back to Honshu, effectively stopping any chance for a Rheinland counter attack. The infocards and lore show me that without the protection of Kusari, the GMG would have quickly lost the 80 years war.

You could say that without being provided a foothold to maintain their position against an entire nation's military the GMG would be in a pickle. But nothing you described devalues the ability of the GMG to fight, which I believe was your aim. In point of fact that the GMG was able to strike and retreat successfully for 80 years prior to the final epic battle in which they culminated their forces for a final strike suggests a marvelous ability to employ terrain in order to maximize their win/loss ratios.

I could really do this with any section of the fanciful scenario that Blodo posted above. The infocards and lore can be used to make a case for just about anything. I think it's funny when people try and make an argument without explaining that.

Blodo very accurately skylined the pertinent information as it applied. Your counter argument, invalidating the GMG and vicariously through that Blood Dragon combat doctrines and tactical soundness based on inability to maintain a foothold when applied to a combat situation where the GMG is facing a blockade rather than an invasion is irrelevant. Countering someone's offered lore is only effective when what you counter it with information that applies to the situation.

[West]

I'm sorry to tell this, but we will continue our rp based on my numbers and will believe that Kusari CAN defend itself from all internal and external threats.

Basing yourself on vanila rumors that hokkaido is indefensible... well for me it's just lame.
For this reason we have there Battleship, good ammount of patrols + that's why Samura uses fleet of mobile miners so they can change mining locations and not being predictable.

Another thing, I'll repeat myself but... We don't have all our forces in tau, we have good ammount of ships in core space, so all your points that KNF defence in core space is weak also invalid.


and last.. if you don't have constructive feedback (all your "you don't rp in the way we want" is not constructive) do not post here.

we will rp as we see it(as all other faction leaders/HC do), and not as our enemies see it. If all our enemies would start to rp as we see it.. we could crush them all in few months.

---

[Panzer]

On one hand, gaiz... I know how it is when a bunch of the community doesn't like you or what you're doing despite your most honest intentions. It's frankly one of those rare, annoying cases where it would have paid better not to go gajin on everyone... My sympathies.

On the other...

Other than that - Your KNF are fun to fly with. Didn't see any hatchet spam yet.

---

[Blodo]

I'm sorry to tell this, but we will continue our rp based on my numbers and will believe that Kusari CAN defend itself from all internal and external threats.

Read: We will continue to powergame Kusari forces to victory by simply not engaging our enemies whenever they have the slightest chance of winning. Like GRN or Dragons for example.

Basing yourself on vanila rumors that hokkaido is indefensible... well for me it's just lame.
For this reason we have there Battleship, good ammount of patrols + that's why Samura uses fleet of mobile miners so they can change mining locations and not being predictable.

This is the exact same thing the KNF had there during vanilla. I would say it's a very good assumption to make that not much has changed there in that respect, other than the fact that the jump gate was finally completed. Communications in RP forums notwithstanding, I would say the mining operation there is still pretty poor and claiming imaginary mobile miners are making progress in a system which is meant to have much lower densities of materials useable for H-Fuel to start with is what is actually lame here.

Another thing, I'll repeat myself but... We don't have all our forces in tau, we have good ammount of ships in core space, so all your points that KNF defence in core space is weak also invalid.
and last.. if you don't have constructive feedback (all your "you don't rp in the way we want" is not constructive) do not post here.

Nobody disputes that there are KNF forces left in Kusari. The stationary battleships that remain there, as well as the NPC patrols provide all the proof anyone needs to make a claim like that. But KNF forces left in Kusari are nowhere near as strong as, lets say, Liberty forces in Colorado. They will need to concentrate forces, employ less patrols and generally quite likely have more trouble dealing with internal unlawfuls than they would have if the war with Bretonia was not taking place.

But all that said, I bet I could have an interesting argument with you, if it wasn't for the fact that:

we will rp as we see it(as all other faction leaders/HC do), and not as our enemies see it. If all our enemies would start to rp as we see it.. we could crush them all in few months.

Really classy. "This has not happened because I said it didn't." This is why other factions don't really ever want to deal with you, West. What I would suggest to you (since this is a place for constructive feedback after all) is that you either start listening and working with your fellow community members (especially those belonging to factions the KNF is at war with like the GRN or BD), stop getting so emotional over ingame PvP and start making KNF a fun faction to play with rather than an experience at painful drama over some blue messages as you tend to.

[Pancakes]

On one hand, gaiz... I know how it is when a bunch of the community doesn't like you or what you're doing despite your most honest intentions. It's frankly one of those rare, annoying cases where it would have paid better not to go gajin on everyone... My sympathies.

On the other...

Other than that - Your KNF are fun to fly with. Didn't see any hatchet spam yet.

I am too lazy to log it! :yahoo:


@Zelot/Dusty Calm down, it's just video game and what we are discussing here has no in-game influence.

@Blodo
Bretonia have barely any capital shp to fight with inRP, Colonials are not that big and the conflict with GMG is not an open war rather the occasional skirmish. Is Kusari capable to handle that? I think so, pretty much sure that it is.

---

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[Blodo]

@Blodo
Bretonia have barely any capital shp to fight with inRP, Colonials are not that big and the conflict with GMG is not an open war rather the occasional skirmish. Is Kusari capable to handle that? I think so, pretty much sure that it is.

If Kusari was not able to handle it, they would be breaking under the pressure already. Doesn't seem like they are power wise, but there are other forces at work that will ensure a paradigm shift in Kusari anyway come the next mod version.

Kusari's ability to handle its present fronts is not disputed here. It's just that, some fronts are "handled better" than others. The Bretonian front is for example handled in a way that would give Kusari the ability to launch a ground assault on Leeds in the next few ingame months or so, would it not be for the surprise GRN attack that will come. The GMG situation is not even a fighting front, it's more shaking fists at each other. This is reflected both ingame and in forum RP. They don't need forces to really cover that, so they could easily employ just a paltry force to keep the system in check, especially since the GMG carry on protecting it from the Outcasts. Hokkaido is a system however that would need complete lock down, sweeping patrols and a heavy navy presence around all transports in order to be kept relatively in check. According to the lore this is not happening, so the only conclusion is that's one of the places that are slightly suffering due to Kusari's commitment on the Bretonian front.

[Ryummel]

So I guess that KNF numbers are so high that, even if the bar rumors aboard the BS Matsumoto and the Chugo JGC site stated that the economical losses were so huge due to the joint attacks of GC and BD (edit: and with the Bretonian war going on), they still managed to complete the jumpgate AND set up the gas mining thingie in the southern part of Hokkaido.

Fine by me, but I hope nobody whines about Dragons being able to restore their Togo battleships massively. I wanna play Mary Sue too.

---

[West]

Read: We will continue to powergame Kusari forces to victory by simply not engaging our enemies whenever they have the slightest chance of winning. Like GRN or Dragons for example.

oh... in that case we will powergame that we can defeat GMG.. because we killed their fighters in all our engagements.

also since when we are basing RP.. on ingame pvp? in that case faction that have more pvpwhores(even soo little inrp) could crush all it's enemies.

GRN... oh man... no problemo just establish normal event with pre-set time(not like was in that chat.. by bumping it in a hour before you were logging)... and I'll die in the name of<strike> RP</strike> Emperor I mean.. 'cause I know that we will loose anyway in .86

BD... yeah I don't fight them on regular basis.. and mostly not in fighter.... and what? some problems? I don't find its fun.... so what? Don't you have other members in KNF HC to speak with? I never told to any of my members to not fight them too.... you can ask Charos or Amit( as far as I know they are in KNF and in BD) that some old members just don't want to spend 2-3hours by shooting dodging katana... and then die. no fun.. no will to log... they would better log for some cap pew in texas/hamburg

This is the exact same thing the KNF had there during vanilla. I would say it's a very good assumption to make that not much has changed there in that respect, other than the fact that the jump gate was finally completed. Communications in RP forums notwithstanding, I would say the mining operation there is still pretty poor and claiming imaginary mobile miners are making progress in a system which is meant to have much lower densities of materials useable for H-Fuel to start with is what is actually lame here.

and telling that we didn't change anything in 18 years... is lame.

Code:

Nobody disputes that there are KNF forces left in Kusari. The stationary battleships that remain there, as well as the NPC patrols provide all the proof anyone needs to make a claim like that. But KNF forces left in Kusari are nowhere near as strong as, lets say, Liberty forces in Colorado. They will need to concentrate forces, employ less patrols and generally quite likely have more trouble dealing with internal unlawfuls than they would have if the war with Bretonia was not taking place.

As Zelot told.. we are largest millitary after GRN and Liberty, so telling that we have so few forces in core... again lame and only fits your POV.

Really classy. "This has not happened because I said it didn't." This is why other factions don't really ever want to deal with you, West. What I would suggest to you (since this is a place for constructive feedback after all) is that you either start listening and working with your fellow community members (especially those belonging to factions the KNF is at war with like the GRN or BD), stop getting so emotional over ingame PvP and start making KNF a fun faction to play with rather than an experience at painful drama over some blue messages as you tend to.

Fun thing is... I forgot about it long time ago... had few fun encounters against BD not a long time ago... and never complained after my destruction.. even post kudos to some of them. But as you told, some fellow comm. members likes to remeber all what happened.. and return to it again and again.. and again.
+ why Should I bother myself to work with other factions? is our activity bad? don't we shoot BD when they come to Kusari?(maybe not always... but our new members almost all the time logining)
Maybe OTHER faction leaders should start to think on something and contact other.... like GRN leader whos faction activity is lower than any other.


oh forgot to add.... it seems I can't work only with our enemies leaders.... but with kusari lawfull playerbase(and with those with whom we have no conflicts(like TAZ) I can work without problems.... so maybe problem not in me, but in others station towards me and how I play MY Kusari char.

---